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Americans: Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton
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RE: Americans: Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton
(September 18, 2015 at 10:24 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
(September 18, 2015 at 9:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: What I meant was, what kind of policies/ideals would make someone a "real liberal" that people like Bernie don't have?

Here you go, dear.

Bernie's close enough for me.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

Bernie is clearly a step in the right direction.  Here, though, is an example of something that goes beyond what Bernie supports:

http://www.basicincomeaction.org

I think it is a great idea, as it could replace both welfare and social security as presently implemented, and streamline the bureaucracy needed to administer such programs, as eligibility would be simplified.  It can be paid for by making rich people pay their fair share in taxes (which is an idea Bernie supports).

I remember as a college student getting federal aid for attending school, that part of it was based on financial need.  Which meant that if I worked all summer long and saved up money, they would punish me by giving me less money.  Thus, the program in place discouraged such things.  What I did was just attend classes in the summer, as I did not want to work for crap wages and then get less government money.

The same sort of thing happens with social security for disabled people.  I know someone who is crippled* from having polio as a child, and if she works too much, the government will cut aid to her.  So she has to be careful about exactly how much money she earns to avoid being punished for working.

Such programs are insane.  If everyone had a guaranteed living wage, no matter what they earned, then people would not be incentivized to not work more, because every additional bit of income would mean more money they have to spend.  As it is now, earning slightly above a threshold is punished with reduced benefits.


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*For the benefit of those who do not like the word "crippled," that is how she would describe it.  She is not "differently abled," as she has not gained some magic superpower to compensate.  She cannot walk properly, and using nice sounding words does not change the harsh reality.  She hates fucking bullshit like that, as it is just a bad thing to be crippled from polio.

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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RE: Americans: Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton - by Brian37 - September 18, 2015 at 4:15 pm
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RE: Americans: Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton - by Brian37 - September 18, 2015 at 6:18 pm
RE: Americans: Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton - by Minimalist - September 18, 2015 at 6:40 pm
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RE: Americans: Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton - by Brian37 - September 18, 2015 at 7:50 pm
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RE: Americans: Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton - by Violet - September 21, 2015 at 1:36 am
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RE: Americans: Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton - by Minimalist - September 18, 2015 at 7:22 pm
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RE: Americans: Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton - by Minimalist - September 19, 2015 at 2:41 am
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