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Americans: Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton
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RE: Americans: Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton
(September 21, 2015 at 2:28 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: Bernie should get in, Hilary *will* get in.
A science background is a handicap when it comes to getting in positions of political power. People will see him as stuck up, untrustworthy and in some circles; ungodly. People are morons who vote against their own best interests.

Not that it matters, every candidate is bought and paid for dozens of times before they get even remotely close to any real position of power. Its how they pay for their campaigns and its how private enterprise gets its interests looked after time after time. They'll both give a couple of throw away gestures on some relatively irrelevant and obvious topics everyone gets flustered about while sneaking in some backdoor policies to settle their debts.
Thats how the keys to the kingdom get systematically sold every four years to the highest bidder. You can make small changes but the big changes belong to private enterprise.

Some may see Sanders as stuck up, people who've lived through the cold war may see him as untrustworthy, and the religious-vote may find his lack of faith disturbing.

But plenty others will see him as a breath of fresh air with his honesty and absence of detectable duplicity, will have their trust in what he stands for (he's a largely irrelevant figurehead, kind of like a president Wink ), and will find his generosity and his understanding of religious morality... to be in their own best interests, and will vote accordingly.

Whether a candidate is bought or not does matter, at least to some people. The fact that candidates are plenty often corrupt doesn't necessitate that all candidates are corruptible, certainly integrity exists, and some people really are passionate about the changes they would like to see in the world, and don't give a rat's left tonsil about money beyond what they need to live on plenty happy. 

Explain to me... who stands to gain from a given policy. That's where you track the representation of who's bought your candidate. WHO stands to gain. Someone always stands to gain. Of course... the presidency is more PR and guiding than anything, it's the legislature and supreme court that see by far the greatest prevalence of corruption, the local level governments at times too, if there's something important enough to a rich person at that level.

Great change can belong to the public... and it has in the past. The reason that our current situation is so... depressing... is that there ARE historical analogues. And they worked.
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
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RE: Americans: Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton - by Brian37 - September 18, 2015 at 4:15 pm
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RE: Americans: Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton - by Brian37 - September 18, 2015 at 6:07 pm
RE: Americans: Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton - by Chad32 - September 18, 2015 at 5:37 pm
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RE: Americans: Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton - by Brian37 - September 18, 2015 at 6:18 pm
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RE: Americans: Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton - by Brian37 - September 18, 2015 at 7:50 pm
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RE: Americans: Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton - by Violet - September 21, 2015 at 1:36 am
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