(September 21, 2015 at 8:11 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(September 21, 2015 at 8:05 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: I wasn't here for the C_L "bullying" incident, but I suspect it was just a fierce contention of an issue that got out of hand. People can get emotional and drop the pretense of civility that forms the basis of most social interactions. Given that she has such a high reputation, now, I suspect you're slanting the evidence here.
In case you are interested: http://atheistforums.org/thread-34779.html
Thanks for the kind words, btw.
Just finished reading that thread. Yes, I saw that the commentary and ad hominems by our zealots got way, way over the top. You handled it pretty well, I thought.
But here's the other thing I noticed. Every comment you made that said "whoa, that's offsides" (paraphrase) was also being reiterated by other atheists on the board, including my dude Thump, and every post you made in the last few pages had a stack of "Kudos" from the major players on this forum, on some of them more Kudos than I've ever seen on a post that wasn't a personal photo. Furthermore, a mod stepped in, shut the thread down, stated that he did it for that reason, and then apologized for not doing it sooner, a rare moment of thread-censorship.
So if we're talking about the nature of the AF membership as atheists, I think those elements need to be taken into account.
It's disingenuous of Randy to ignore that we're not officially censoring him, while complaining that we don't officially censor our own members. It's disingenuous of Randy to talk about our radicals while ignoring our moderates and those who call for decency and tolerance. It's disingenuous of Randy to use you as an example of what's happening to him because, as bad as it got in there for you, you still had the majority of us on your side. He does not and never will, because your motives are fundamentally decent, while his are derogatory; your heart is kind, while his heart is as black as he accuses us of being.
It's not apples-and-oranges, it's apples-and-orangutans.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.