RE: Deuteronomy 22:28-29
September 22, 2015 at 12:55 am
(This post was last modified: September 22, 2015 at 1:00 am by TheRocketSurgeon.
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(September 22, 2015 at 12:33 am)Rational AKD Wrote: and to those on this thread who consider the law abhorrent even in light of my contextual interpretation. God did not create the social customs. people spread over the earth and created their own customs long before God chose his own people. God didn't make his law for the Jews from scratch... he made many of them to accommodate customs they already had. you may see it as misogynistic, but at that time people didn't think women could have any role other than that of a maternal role. despite this, God ensured women were protected under the law. you can't simply reform a nation of their customs they've had for hundreds to thousands of years. the bible itself states some of the Jewish laws were to accommodate the culture... just look at Matthew 19. the Pharisees ask Jesus if it's ok to divorce, he says no. they ask why Moses permitted it, Jesus says because their hearts were hard but it was not that way from the beginning.
Hold up, hold up.
You're saying that God had to accommodate the customs of the Hebrews?
No way. No. Way. God specifically spelled out several new Covenant practices for the Hebrews, to "set them apart" from the other cultures of the time. The classic examples are foreskin circumcisions, kosher dietary restrictions, artistic image prohibitions, and Sabbath-keeping, just to name a few.
It's really quite simple. God could have easily said:
1) Thou shalt not own other human beings, nor tolerate other human beings to be property of anyone in thy land. For as you were bondsmen in the land of Egypt, never again shalt thine people tolerate this despicable practice.
2) Thou shalt not rape, nor coerce, nor be sexually aggressive toward any man or woman, be they virgin or not; under no circumstances shalt there be unwilling contact between persons. Consent shalt always be required, Thus Saith the LORD.
3) Thou shalt not harm children by word, nor threat, nor action, for if ye harm a child, thou dost offend mine very breast as with a sword.
4) Thou shalt cease and desist with all blood sacrifices in my name, for blood is only there to carry thine air through thine body, which I have appointed for thee, and the spilling of blood for any cause but that thou mayst eat is not pleasing, nay it is an abomination in my sight.
5) Thou shalt keep to mine commandments, in covenant which thou hast chosen, but thou shalt not harm nor treat unfairly those who are not in mine covenant, for they too are my children; as keepers of the covenant, thou shalt be fair and equitable in all thine doings.
(I guess those were on the 3rd tablet that Moses dropped?)
And then God spake unto Moses, saying, "P.S. - Women are people. Stop treating them as inferiors or property."
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
