RE: Apologetics open challenge
September 25, 2015 at 11:33 am
(This post was last modified: September 25, 2015 at 11:36 am by TheRocketSurgeon.)
(September 25, 2015 at 10:57 am)ChadWooters Wrote: What a total cop-out! This thread is a complete bust. I have issued my counter-challenge at least three times now. You skeptical cock-lepers have only offered a cute meme. I've had enough of this thread. If anyone is serious about fulfilling the empty boast of the OP then you can PM me.
Don't be sad, Chad.
I just don't take you very seriously. You don't give me any indication that you'll do what we do, and fairly discuss the topic while admitting to what is and isn't good evidence. You don't give me any indication that I'll hear anything from you but scorn and derision. Why would I want to go through the trouble of engaging with you on a complex subject that will require a lot of effort (and research via Google-Fu on both the claims you make and the counter-claims), only to find that I'm ignored when I demonstrate one, some, or all of the positions are not viable? More importantly, have I ever shown an unwillingness to engage on subjects of Biblical claims or claims related to religion, like science and philosophy? The fact that no one wants to engage with you is, to me, quite telling... though do I hope someone with more patience than I have will take you up on it, just for the popcorn-munching value of watching it go down.
And before you say "well you're an atheist so I think the same about you", please consider the other exchanges we have had and ask yourself (aloud, if you like) whether I have ever given an indication that I would treat an opponent's valid position as if it was not so, simply out of ideology. I largely identify myself by what others here (including Christians) have called an "even-tempered" nature. So for me to say that I'm not willing to engage you on a subject that I think you have too much emotional connection to to have an honest conversation about, especially in light of the aggressiveness with which you are trying to manipulate us into that debate, is something you I hope you take a few minutes of your life to ponder.
Addendum: I should be clear. When I say "what we do", I mean those of us who actually bother with the scholarship of apologetics, science, and philosophy, not the casual bomb-throwers who just like harassing Christians on here. I should have considered their existence, here, and not used the term "we" without clarification. So... fixt!
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
