RE: How it was forged.
September 25, 2015 at 1:33 pm
(This post was last modified: September 25, 2015 at 1:40 pm by ReptilianPeon.)
Hi,
I'm surprised that you conceded Abu Bakr was bad Caliph. If even he, as one of Sahabah, couldn't follow the Quran properly then it doesn't bode well for other leaders. What do you think could have possessed Abu Bakr to ignore the teachings of his friend Muhammad?
I have my theory and it relates to Quran Iyaht such as 2:106 and 16:101. You'll notice Quran Surah two is a Meccan revelation and Iyah 2:256 is not listed amoung the exceptions for Surah two. I strongly suspect that Iyah 2:256, which you cited, was superseded by newer Medinan Iyaht (e.g. Iyaht such as the infamous Verse of the Sword, Quran 9:5).
You can make the argument that Surah nine mostly related to the Battle of Tabuk (a fictional battle, because there is no archaeological evidence for it) or that there is a historical context, and that's fine. However, the must have been some reason that Abu Bakr did not consider Quran 2:256. Are you suggesting he was ignorant?
To refer to Guru Tegh Bahadur again: We see another example of somebody who apparently did not follow the Quran - Aurangzeb of the Mugals. Perhaps he was inspired by leaders past to persecute the Sikhs?
In regard to your claim about Surah 110. According my source, Tanzil, it is the last Surah to be revealed. Even if my source is wrong, I have to cast doubt on the claim. There is no specific date/time mentioned. As with all claimed prophecies, if there are enough believers, the believers will work together to make it seem as though those prophecies have come true.
That's why Gulf countries are competing with each other to build the tallest buildings - because Muhammad claimed they would, apparently. Muhammad is the reason why the Gulf countries engaging in these expensive vanity projects instead of using their wealth to fight poverty. They could start fighting poverty getting rid of the slavery that is the Kafalah system. And yet the Fascist Suaid establishment and those they fund, such as Yusuf Estes, Zakir Naik and those at iREA (e.g. Abur Raheem Green) have the audacity to claim that the West is immoral. They need to look in the mirror.
I'm surprised that you conceded Abu Bakr was bad Caliph. If even he, as one of Sahabah, couldn't follow the Quran properly then it doesn't bode well for other leaders. What do you think could have possessed Abu Bakr to ignore the teachings of his friend Muhammad?
I have my theory and it relates to Quran Iyaht such as 2:106 and 16:101. You'll notice Quran Surah two is a Meccan revelation and Iyah 2:256 is not listed amoung the exceptions for Surah two. I strongly suspect that Iyah 2:256, which you cited, was superseded by newer Medinan Iyaht (e.g. Iyaht such as the infamous Verse of the Sword, Quran 9:5).
You can make the argument that Surah nine mostly related to the Battle of Tabuk (a fictional battle, because there is no archaeological evidence for it) or that there is a historical context, and that's fine. However, the must have been some reason that Abu Bakr did not consider Quran 2:256. Are you suggesting he was ignorant?
To refer to Guru Tegh Bahadur again: We see another example of somebody who apparently did not follow the Quran - Aurangzeb of the Mugals. Perhaps he was inspired by leaders past to persecute the Sikhs?
In regard to your claim about Surah 110. According my source, Tanzil, it is the last Surah to be revealed. Even if my source is wrong, I have to cast doubt on the claim. There is no specific date/time mentioned. As with all claimed prophecies, if there are enough believers, the believers will work together to make it seem as though those prophecies have come true.
That's why Gulf countries are competing with each other to build the tallest buildings - because Muhammad claimed they would, apparently. Muhammad is the reason why the Gulf countries engaging in these expensive vanity projects instead of using their wealth to fight poverty. They could start fighting poverty getting rid of the slavery that is the Kafalah system. And yet the Fascist Suaid establishment and those they fund, such as Yusuf Estes, Zakir Naik and those at iREA (e.g. Abur Raheem Green) have the audacity to claim that the West is immoral. They need to look in the mirror.
