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The Pope - After a Week In 'Murrica
RE: The Pope - After a Week In 'Murrica
(September 25, 2015 at 12:36 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: This is not something that can be fixed over night and admittedly they had steps in the right direction, IMO.  Most people are tithing to the local church/diocese.  If there is found something going on there and it is not swiftly dealt with, then I would agree an appropriate response would be to withhold tithing or move to a different diocese, but that's not what you seem to be proposing.

From Wikipedia:

Quote:In July 2007 the Los Angeles Archdiocese settled 508 cases for $2 million.[2] On July 16, 2007, the day before he was to testify under oath, Mahony and the Roman Catholic Church in Los Angeles apologized for abuses by priests after 508 victims reached a record-breaking settlement worth $660m (£324m), with an average of $1.3m for each plaintiff. Mahony described the abuse as a "terrible sin and crime", as a series of trials into sex abuse claims since the 1940s were to begin. The agreement, if approved by a judge, will settle all 15 upcoming pedophilia trials against the Los Angeles archdiocese and avoids the threat of Mahony being forced to testify about how the Church dealt with abuses in the period from the 1940s to 1990s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abu...os_Angeles

[Emphasis added -- Thump]

Archbishop Mahony was allowed to retire despite documentation demonstrating his active participation in covering up criminal activity. I have no doubt he breathed a sigh of relief on the settlement being accepted. Mahony actively stone-walled law-enforcement officials in Southern California for a decade or more, and as recently as 2009. His is obviously not nearly the only case I could mention; it's simply the one I'm most familiar with. The fact that several dioceses have declared bankruptcy on the eve of proceedings makes it difficult to argue that they are interested in justice.  Note that the most recent was less than five years ago. As the MinnPost reports:

Quote:Stretching from Delaware to Alaska, these bankruptcy proceedings often have taken years to hammer out, as the church and victims negotiate the terms of how much victims should be compensated. The payouts to victims have been in the millions of dollars – in San Diego, the diocese paid more than $198 million to 144 abuse victims, the largest clergy sexual abuse settlement to date.

Bankruptcies can help to bring order to chaos, says Pamela Foohey, an associate professor at Indiana University’s Maurer School of Law. They ensure that hundreds of lawsuits become more manageable and that all victims get paid – not just those who file cases early.

But victim advocates and attorneys say churches that declare insolvency often do it for a less noble purpose. They say it has become a go-to move for dioceses to stop damaging trials and avoid putting church officials on the witness stand.

“Bankruptcies don’t protect kids,” said victims attorney Patrick Noaker, whose suit against Stitts was supposed to go to trial last week. “Trials and disclosures do.”

Rather than turning over to law enforcement priests accused of molestation, the RCC is still moving them around so that they cannot be prosecuted. Still.

The problem is not limited to the level of the diocese. This is what tithing supports, whether it is the intention of the donor or not; and this remains an ongoing problem. I wouldn't dream of donating to an organization with this track-record, that to this day rejects the transparency of testimony taken under oath for the obfuscation of placing alleged criminals beyond the reach of the law.

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The Pope - After a Week In 'Murrica - by Minimalist - September 24, 2015 at 12:31 pm
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