RE: How it was forged.
September 26, 2015 at 5:35 am
(This post was last modified: September 26, 2015 at 5:48 am by ReptilianPeon.)
Why couldn't the Quran be easy like the Bible? Oh well. Completely forgot you don't like Hadiths, and I have to agree with you that Hadiths are not a good source of information - for the most part (they contain some funny/curious things, like Muhammad expressing his dislike of Chess).
However, not using Hadith does create all sorts of problems. How do you know to pray five times a day? Most of the details for the story of Muhammad's Night Journey (through the seven heavens) come from the Hadith.
You need the Hadith to get the specifics of Salat and for the Sharia. How would you properly follow the Sunnah without any Hadith? Even if one is not Sunni, and either Ibadi or Shia, you would still see Muhammad as an example and use their Hadith collections to follow his example.
Moving on to the story of Moses now:
Given all of the disproportionate suffering Allah inflicted on innocent Egyptians (e.g. children), who may not have necessarily agreed with the Pharaoh, I probably would have disobeyed Allah too and pointed out the unfairness. Why didn't Allah simply do a Quran 13:13 on the Pharaoh or the royal palace instead of killing powerless Egyptians? It would have been so much simpler.
Quran 13:13 Nay, thunder repeateth His praises, and so do the angels, with awe: He flingeth the loud-voiced thunder-bolts, and therewith He striketh whomsoever He will.. yet these (are the men) who (dare to) dispute about Allah, with the strength of His power (supreme)!
Quran 20:86 So Moses returned to his people in a state of indignation and sorrow. He said: "O my people! did not your Lord make a handsome promise to you? Did then the promise seem to you long (in coming)? Or did ye desire that Wrath should descend from your Lord on you, and so ye broke your promise to me?"
If I was Allah, I would have prevented them from becoming slaves in the first place. That way, no innocent Egyptians get killed and nobody gets their free will taken away. I would be a deity that doesn't just assert that humans get free will; I would defend it too. So when people are taken as slaves I would condemn the slave masters.
I do find it ironic that Allah didn't like the followers of Moses being kept as slaves and gives details in the Quran on keeping slaves. Why the double standard? Like in Muhammad's day, everyone in Pharaoh's day was taking slaves.
There are plenty of Iyaht on the subject of slavery in the Quran. You can say "the Quran had specific rules for how slaves to be treated" or how the freeing of slaves is a great act, etc. And that's fine, but would you keep a slave if given the chance? If not, why not?
I'm sure if you went to the Yemen and abducted some Akhdam for yourself, nobody, besides the immediate family, would care. Or, if people of colour aren't your thing, how about some Zabaleen? The Fascist Egyptian government has treated the Zabaleen terribly so maybe you can give them a better life as a slave? For example, they took away all of their pigs and used Swine Flu as the excuse. And then there was chaos, because it turns out pigs are not actually that bad, or at least not as bad as the Quran claims they are.
So what's stopping you? The Quran allows you take slaves after all. I'm sure it's your ability to empathize that's telling you that slavery is wrong.
However, not using Hadith does create all sorts of problems. How do you know to pray five times a day? Most of the details for the story of Muhammad's Night Journey (through the seven heavens) come from the Hadith.
You need the Hadith to get the specifics of Salat and for the Sharia. How would you properly follow the Sunnah without any Hadith? Even if one is not Sunni, and either Ibadi or Shia, you would still see Muhammad as an example and use their Hadith collections to follow his example.
Moving on to the story of Moses now:
Given all of the disproportionate suffering Allah inflicted on innocent Egyptians (e.g. children), who may not have necessarily agreed with the Pharaoh, I probably would have disobeyed Allah too and pointed out the unfairness. Why didn't Allah simply do a Quran 13:13 on the Pharaoh or the royal palace instead of killing powerless Egyptians? It would have been so much simpler.
Quran 13:13 Nay, thunder repeateth His praises, and so do the angels, with awe: He flingeth the loud-voiced thunder-bolts, and therewith He striketh whomsoever He will.. yet these (are the men) who (dare to) dispute about Allah, with the strength of His power (supreme)!
Quran 20:86 So Moses returned to his people in a state of indignation and sorrow. He said: "O my people! did not your Lord make a handsome promise to you? Did then the promise seem to you long (in coming)? Or did ye desire that Wrath should descend from your Lord on you, and so ye broke your promise to me?"
If I was Allah, I would have prevented them from becoming slaves in the first place. That way, no innocent Egyptians get killed and nobody gets their free will taken away. I would be a deity that doesn't just assert that humans get free will; I would defend it too. So when people are taken as slaves I would condemn the slave masters.
I do find it ironic that Allah didn't like the followers of Moses being kept as slaves and gives details in the Quran on keeping slaves. Why the double standard? Like in Muhammad's day, everyone in Pharaoh's day was taking slaves.
There are plenty of Iyaht on the subject of slavery in the Quran. You can say "the Quran had specific rules for how slaves to be treated" or how the freeing of slaves is a great act, etc. And that's fine, but would you keep a slave if given the chance? If not, why not?
I'm sure if you went to the Yemen and abducted some Akhdam for yourself, nobody, besides the immediate family, would care. Or, if people of colour aren't your thing, how about some Zabaleen? The Fascist Egyptian government has treated the Zabaleen terribly so maybe you can give them a better life as a slave? For example, they took away all of their pigs and used Swine Flu as the excuse. And then there was chaos, because it turns out pigs are not actually that bad, or at least not as bad as the Quran claims they are.
So what's stopping you? The Quran allows you take slaves after all. I'm sure it's your ability to empathize that's telling you that slavery is wrong.
