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[RoadRunner79]

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Emphasis mine.

I mean no disrespect, but I literally have no idea what this pair of sentences means in any normal context or application to conversations here. I'm sure you mean something, but you lost me. But this is an introductory thread, so that's the kind of thing probably best hashed-out in another arena.

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Thanks,  I love that quote from "The Princess Bride" in your sig by the way.  I've used it with those who don't really understand a fallacy, but seem to latch on to it, and use it for everything (or whenever I can really).

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Thanks! Yes, I get a lot of anti-evolution discussions going, here, from theists who just seem to absolutely refuse to learn what evolution actually is, or what it actually claims... and they'll throw terms around that just baffle me, in terms of how badly they are being misused. It gets really frustrating because they simply refuse to listen, and will even go so far as to say, "Well evolutionists claim..."

And I'm sitting here, often with my fiancee right here with me (she, who is a Methodist and also still working as an evolutionary biologist, likes to watch and mock, but not participate, as I argue on the forum), they'll tell me (totally wrongly) "what scientists say", then tell me it's impossible to be a Christian and an evolutionist. So, since my Beloved and I love The Princess Bride,  I thought it fitting (given the rocky terrain).

In regards to your first comment... I agree, the introductory page is not the place to hash it out.  I'll just try to clarify what I meant, and perhaps if needed start a conversation on it.  Basically it boils down to reasoning, that an OP has to deny in another context (without providing a reason why it doesn't apply correctly) or be forced to change their views.

In your second comment, I am skeptical of common descent evolution with a slight leaning against it, and think that the neo-darwinist views are fairly bankrupt.  (Neither for theological reasons for the most part).  I look forward to some interesting conversations with you, and do hope that you can teach me.