RE: How it was forged.
October 4, 2015 at 3:19 pm
(This post was last modified: October 4, 2015 at 3:23 pm by WinterHold.)
?MysticKnight
There's a context for that verse -as of course for any other verse in the book-; allow me quote the verse first :
(Sura 4 Verse 59 ) O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result.
First, it didn't deny the fact that we might disagree on matter between us --between us & the leaders--. In other words; it's okay to raise your hand & object.
Second, it told us in the case of disagreeing, to take the matter to God or his Messenger. But what if the messenger is dead ?
Third, then we return it to God. And that's it , each stands & brings his/her evidence from what God said -i.e Quran-.
It didn't call us to obey nobody but God after all.
If the majority voted for an opinion, then that goes. If somebody doesn't like the result, he/she should leave the scene.
But God didn't give nobody a leader status but the Messenger .. Nobody else.
MrNoMorePropaganda
I always believed that for many of them, it's fear of society before anything else.
Come to the Middle East. You'll be speechless when you see a Wahhabi teaching about Sunni Islam in the day, yet sexually harassing young boys in the night.
I will reply to your comment.
There's a context for that verse -as of course for any other verse in the book-; allow me quote the verse first :
(Sura 4 Verse 59 ) O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result.
First, it didn't deny the fact that we might disagree on matter between us --between us & the leaders--. In other words; it's okay to raise your hand & object.
Second, it told us in the case of disagreeing, to take the matter to God or his Messenger. But what if the messenger is dead ?
Third, then we return it to God. And that's it , each stands & brings his/her evidence from what God said -i.e Quran-.
It didn't call us to obey nobody but God after all.
If the majority voted for an opinion, then that goes. If somebody doesn't like the result, he/she should leave the scene.
But God didn't give nobody a leader status but the Messenger .. Nobody else.
MrNoMorePropaganda
Quote:Some people are brought up being told how and what to think and don't know any different. I have some sympathy for Theists. It can be extremely hard for Theists to think any differently. Fear of hellfire is one thing. Even something that looks so simple like taking off head coverings in public can be hard for them.
I always believed that for many of them, it's fear of society before anything else.
Come to the Middle East. You'll be speechless when you see a Wahhabi teaching about Sunni Islam in the day, yet sexually harassing young boys in the night.
I will reply to your comment.
