RE: How it was forged.
October 7, 2015 at 8:41 am
(This post was last modified: October 7, 2015 at 8:55 am by WinterHold.)
WOG
The same advice I gave to MysticKnight : don't take things out of context. That would make you misunderstand the whole thing; take this example :
The first verse & the verses following its context in 2:6-7 does indeed apply to many of the atheists here, especially this :
Sura 2, the verses that follow :
( 13 ) And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Should we believe as the foolish have believed?" Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know [it] not.
( 14 ) And when they meet those who believe, they say, "We believe"; but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say, "Indeed, we are with you; we were only mockers."
( 15 ) [But] Allah mocks them and prolongs them in their transgression [while] they wander blindly.
( 16 ) Those are the ones who have purchased error [in exchange] for guidance, so their transaction has brought no profit, nor were they guided.
Though, why do you neglect this verse for example ?
Sura 7
( 164 ) And when a community among them said, "Why do you advise [or warn] a people whom Allah is [about] to destroy or to punish with a severe punishment?" they [the advisors] said, "To be absolved before your Lord and perhaps they may fear Him."
( 165 ) And when they forgot that by which they had been reminded, We saved those who had forbidden evil and seized those who wronged, with a wretched punishment, because they were defiantly disobeying.
Reading the above, tell me please, why shouldn't I be in a forum ?? To show you your error in reading this book, here it is in simple words : we already know some people won't believe. We already know they'll make fun & mock. Yet, we still call them to this faith; perhaps they may fear God & believe.
What's the reward ? verse 165 : saving that might come in earth, or might come in the afterlife; or better : BOTH.
This is how you read the Quran. Don't take a verse and forget the rest; taking things out of context.
Another example is 2:108 ..
( 106 ) We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?
( 107 ) Do you not know that to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and [that] you have not besides Allah any protector or any helper?
( 108 ) Or do you intend to ask your Messenger as Moses was asked before? And whoever exchanges faith for disbelief has certainly strayed from the soundness of the way.
Believers had doubts when some verses were taken out of the Quran. Thus came verse 108 : the verse in other words is : (you have doubts..would you make your doubt control you & do the same mistake that the people of Moses did ? to ask Mohammed the same things that Moses was asked ??)
Search the Quran to find what Moses was asked :
Sura 4
(153 ) The People of the Scripture ask you to bring down to them a book from the heaven. But they had asked of Moses [even] greater than that and said, "Show us Allah outright," so the thunderbolt struck them for their wrongdoing. Then they took the calf [for worship] after clear evidences had come to them, and We pardoned that. And We gave Moses a clear authority.
Don't read with double standards. Stick to the context, and never use a verse before checking if the rest of its story is there.
The same advice I gave to MysticKnight : don't take things out of context. That would make you misunderstand the whole thing; take this example :
The first verse & the verses following its context in 2:6-7 does indeed apply to many of the atheists here, especially this :
Sura 2, the verses that follow :
( 13 ) And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Should we believe as the foolish have believed?" Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know [it] not.
( 14 ) And when they meet those who believe, they say, "We believe"; but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say, "Indeed, we are with you; we were only mockers."
( 15 ) [But] Allah mocks them and prolongs them in their transgression [while] they wander blindly.
( 16 ) Those are the ones who have purchased error [in exchange] for guidance, so their transaction has brought no profit, nor were they guided.
Though, why do you neglect this verse for example ?
Sura 7
( 164 ) And when a community among them said, "Why do you advise [or warn] a people whom Allah is [about] to destroy or to punish with a severe punishment?" they [the advisors] said, "To be absolved before your Lord and perhaps they may fear Him."
( 165 ) And when they forgot that by which they had been reminded, We saved those who had forbidden evil and seized those who wronged, with a wretched punishment, because they were defiantly disobeying.
Reading the above, tell me please, why shouldn't I be in a forum ?? To show you your error in reading this book, here it is in simple words : we already know some people won't believe. We already know they'll make fun & mock. Yet, we still call them to this faith; perhaps they may fear God & believe.
What's the reward ? verse 165 : saving that might come in earth, or might come in the afterlife; or better : BOTH.
This is how you read the Quran. Don't take a verse and forget the rest; taking things out of context.
Another example is 2:108 ..
( 106 ) We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?
( 107 ) Do you not know that to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and [that] you have not besides Allah any protector or any helper?
( 108 ) Or do you intend to ask your Messenger as Moses was asked before? And whoever exchanges faith for disbelief has certainly strayed from the soundness of the way.
Believers had doubts when some verses were taken out of the Quran. Thus came verse 108 : the verse in other words is : (you have doubts..would you make your doubt control you & do the same mistake that the people of Moses did ? to ask Mohammed the same things that Moses was asked ??)
Search the Quran to find what Moses was asked :
Sura 4
(153 ) The People of the Scripture ask you to bring down to them a book from the heaven. But they had asked of Moses [even] greater than that and said, "Show us Allah outright," so the thunderbolt struck them for their wrongdoing. Then they took the calf [for worship] after clear evidences had come to them, and We pardoned that. And We gave Moses a clear authority.
Don't read with double standards. Stick to the context, and never use a verse before checking if the rest of its story is there.
