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Worthy of worship, free will?
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RE: Worthy of worship, free will?
(October 7, 2015 at 10:37 pm)Chuck Wrote:
(October 7, 2015 at 10:10 pm)Little lunch Wrote: It's almost like your saying that sub-consciousness has free-will.

My idea of free will is that someone could take you back in time, reset your mind to that point and you might do something different.
I think the sub-conscious mind is even more incapable of randomness then our conscious minds.


There is a profound difference between free will, and random or unpredictable will.   If your mind is reset, and it produces a different outcome, that but implies random will.   If that is equal to fre will, then an electron has free will because our best description of it suggests if you were to reset all condition that is possible to reset, it would do something differently.

You cannot have free will without conscious choice and given conscious choice seems to be non-existent in light of the fact that our decisions are actually made unconsciously before we even know about it it follows that we are merely slaves to whatever decision our brains come to next. Decisions which are governed by an insane number of factors, chemical balances and outside stimuli. Were we capable of comprehending them consciously we would be able to precisely predict the actions of any human being. Our consciousness maintains the farce that we are something more than a series of actions and reactions. That we are incontrol more than any other animal. We are not. 

We are an intelligent species. That does not mean our actions are any less inevitable than a bright lab rat finding the cheese at the center of a maze. We're just more complicated is all.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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Worthy of worship, free will? - by Captain Scarlet - September 15, 2015 at 7:09 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Edwardo Piet - October 7, 2015 at 9:33 pm
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Reforged - October 7, 2015 at 9:42 pm
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Little lunch - October 7, 2015 at 10:10 pm
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Reforged - October 7, 2015 at 10:25 pm
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Anomalocaris - October 7, 2015 at 10:37 pm
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Reforged - October 7, 2015 at 10:53 pm
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Edwardo Piet - October 7, 2015 at 9:49 pm
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by brewer - October 7, 2015 at 9:51 pm
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Edwardo Piet - October 7, 2015 at 10:00 pm
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Edwardo Piet - October 7, 2015 at 10:13 pm
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Edwardo Piet - October 7, 2015 at 10:35 pm
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Edwardo Piet - October 7, 2015 at 10:44 pm
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by robvalue - October 8, 2015 at 4:22 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by ignoramus - October 8, 2015 at 4:42 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Little lunch - October 8, 2015 at 7:15 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by bennyboy - October 8, 2015 at 8:48 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Edwardo Piet - October 8, 2015 at 8:52 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by bennyboy - October 8, 2015 at 10:32 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by robvalue - October 8, 2015 at 9:56 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Edwardo Piet - October 8, 2015 at 10:06 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Edwardo Piet - October 8, 2015 at 10:33 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by bennyboy - October 8, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by robvalue - October 8, 2015 at 10:47 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Reforged - October 11, 2015 at 1:14 pm
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Edwardo Piet - October 8, 2015 at 10:50 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Edwardo Piet - October 8, 2015 at 11:29 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by bennyboy - October 8, 2015 at 12:19 pm
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Edwardo Piet - October 12, 2015 at 7:06 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by bennyboy - October 12, 2015 at 7:09 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Edwardo Piet - October 12, 2015 at 7:11 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by bennyboy - October 12, 2015 at 9:10 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 12, 2015 at 7:18 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Edwardo Piet - October 12, 2015 at 7:19 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by bennyboy - October 12, 2015 at 9:11 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Edwardo Piet - October 12, 2015 at 9:35 am
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by bennyboy - October 12, 2015 at 2:00 pm
RE: Worthy of worship, free will? - by Edwardo Piet - October 12, 2015 at 2:21 pm

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