(October 9, 2015 at 7:02 pm)abaris Wrote:(October 9, 2015 at 7:00 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I disremember who, but I recall a primatologist putting as 'Chimps are what we are. Bonobos are what we aspire to be.'
Boru
Not entirely sure, but I think, it was either Frans de Vaal or Brian Hare.
Wow. Yeah that's exactly how I see it. Couldn't have put it better... except some of us seem to revel in being chimp-like.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
