(October 9, 2015 at 9:26 pm)MTL Wrote:That's a fearless bird. Must have been very thirsty!(October 9, 2015 at 9:04 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: No, but that was amazing. I did see this, when Anderson Cooper of CNN met bonobos who can communicate via sign-boards:
remarkable.
I think we underestimate a lot of animals.
Crows are remarkably intelligent. Octopus have even been shown to have problem-solving skills.
Ducks have asked humans for help rescuing trapped young.
Crow asks for and receives a drink of water:
To me, one of the big indicators for intellectual function is tool use, the ability to fashion useful things from the environment in order to accomplish a secondary task. Anyone who has raised kids knows about watching as kids begin to develop the ability to think "into the future", rather than the here-and-now. Otters, several primates, and some birds do this.
I like the one of the sledding Russian crow:
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
