How it was forged.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

MNMP

The Satanic Verses are a well known story. The story is mentioned in various places, notably in al-Tabarī. It is not a story created by Kathirs against Muhammad as it is reported by believers themselves. It inspired the infamous book of the same name, first published in 1988, by the Indian author Salman Rushdie. A Fatwa was issued allowing people to kill Salman Rushdie because many people didn't like his book (even though the book is fiction and only loosely based on the account in the Hadith etc.). Fortunately, he is still alive today.

It's still a Hadith after all..and my opinion about Hadiths is in my topic too. I searched for what Tabari had said; here it is in Arabic :

http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/tafseer/tabary/s...aya52.html

I don't follow these stuff. I never read the Tafsir unless I'm searching for the "linguistic narrative". But even in the "Tafsir"; many disagree with Tabari, take Al-Kortobi for example, who had another story to say :

http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/tafseer/qortobi/...aya52.html

Did you get my point ? welcome to the world of the Hadith : many tales, with no evidence which one is true.
I take nothing of that or believe it : all I believe is the verse itself :

( 52 )   And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that when he spoke, Satan threw into it. But Allah abolishes that which Satan throws in; then Allah makes precise His verses. And Allah is Knowing and Wise.

What did Satan throw ?

You can choose to go to the Hadiths, or just believe the verse like it is.

People have debated its authenticity many times. Many believers at least acknowledge the story. Here is a summary of the story:
The story is found in Buhkari though this version doesn't mention the Shaytan. The other two versions of the story (e.g. from al-Tabarī and Ibn Hisham) go like this. Either:
1. The Shaytan made Muhammad speak the names of the three Pagan goddesses (from al-Tabarī)
or 2. Muhammad was reciting Quran and Muhammad, in this instance, could not tell the difference between Jibrill and the Shaytan. The Shaytan pretended to be Jibrill and Muhammad fell for it and after the real Jibrill informed of what had happened Muhammad became very depressed.
People have claimed story is an example of a test from Allah to Muhammad.

In both versions, the Pagans heard Muhammad recite the names of the Pagan goddesses and began to join the believers in prayer. The believers, meanwhile, did not understand what was going on and where confused. Later, the verses were (supposedly) changed to the Quran 53:19-23 we see today. Other people have claimed Muhammad was trying to make the Pagans happy by acknowledging their deities and later retracted the verses and use the story as proof the Quran has been changed.

Hadiths, Hadiths.. My argument against this is the same argument I give any Sunni : I don't believe Hadiths foretold based on "tales".

But let's put that website aside for one moment. The Quran (2:127) says the Kaaba was originally built by Abraham. If evidence was found that Mecca is as old the Quran says, don't you think the Saudis would yell about it? It would certainly be checkmate for the Bible if one could demonstrate people have been going on pilgrimage to Mecca for that long. Yet we can't even be sure Abraham existed. True, there are lots of people who we can't say for certain existed, but this is Abraham. Abraham is important.

You still consider the Sauds to be "dedicated Muslims" ? they hate this religion more than anything else, their acts prove it, and I told you already they only use this faith as a blanket.

They are "Nomadic tribal people", who suffer from the worst inferiority complexes of all times. They demolished lots of archaeological sites that could've come in huge favor for Islam.

But to non-believers..if Abraham is proved, you have "Jinn's" to prove next..if Jinn's are proved, you have "angels"..if angels are proved, you have God himself..

Yes..certainty..

If Abraham didn't exist, then Muhammad can't claim him as an ancestor. This would cause all sorts of problems, obviously. The story of Abraham makes me sad because he was going to kill his own son because he thought god told him to. Disgusting.

He was that loyal; yes. Yet again, you should complete the verse :

(Sura 31 Verse 102 )   And when he reached with him [the age of] exertion, he said, "O my son, indeed I have seen in a dream that I sacrifice you, so see what you think." He said, "O my father, do as you are commanded. You will find me, if Allah wills, of the steadfast."


What is disgusting to me though, is neglecting the whole verse, especially the underlined part, and the son's sentence, to make Abraham and the Quran -then all muslims- appear like serial killer crazies..

All of the hadiths, all of the Koran, and all of the Bible as well as every other "holy book" is pure imaginary BS totally lacking in reality.  The hadiths were written centuries after Mohammed supposedly bit the dust.  They are total fabrications.