(October 12, 2015 at 3:54 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: Pyrrho I don't disagree with you. I've always taken "free will" to mean: "to do as one chooses". You can make a conscious effort to do anything you like, that is free will. This does not mean there are not limitations or consequences. As far as limitations go, you can choose to try to fly, but without a hang glider, your butt is going to die (but you still have the choice to try). As far as consequences, you may choose to beat your neighbor to death because he doesn't turn down his stereo, but you will most certainly spend your life in prison. Still have a choice.
Free will is not complicated. You have the freedom to choose to do whatever is within your ability to do. Quite often where the waters get murky is in discussions regarding original sin and blaming God for how things are etc. We talk about Adam and Eve having free will to choose to disobey and why would God make that possible knowing the consequences, etc. If you were not free to do as you choose, you are an automaton.
If I understand the OP correctly, Pyrrho is not advocating for the view that we are free to choose things independently of our nature and conditioning. So the Christian view of free will is illogical and cannot be demonstrated.
As for the OP's position, fair enough, but one problem I see with this is way too many laymen think of free will in the libertarian sense and not in the sense you speak of. So even if hat makes sense to you, that's not the notion of free will people tend to talk about.
