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"Religious people tend to be smarter"
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RE: "Religious people tend to be smarter"
(October 12, 2015 at 8:20 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:
(October 12, 2015 at 7:32 pm)heatiosrs Wrote: Actually Einstein was agnostic.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/einstein.htm
(random site i found but i think it will suffice)

agnostic just is the belief that we are not capable of understanding God or completely knowing God . im an agnostic a lot of people who believe in God are also agnostic . einstein was an agnostic deist.

" My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind. "

" Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. "

" The scientists’ religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection. "
Agnostic is the position of neither disbelief nor belief in god. Whatever personal conclusion you want to draw is fine by me, but that's not the actual definition.

A lot of things Einstein said were contradictory toward religion, you just pick and chose the more "religious quotes" when I'm pretty sure I could find some heavily atheist quotes by him as well. Over all though, the evidence leads toward him being agnostic or even atheist.

Also agnostic deist is pretty hard to define, unless someone specifically states it, based on the fact that almost all religious people would hardly ever be caught making contradictory statements(knowingly, ex. "I wouldnt want to believe in a cruel god, and I find no evidence for god" and then saying "my religious views are that I believe in god who has created this universe" etc. or whatever), it's more plausible to call Einstein an agnostic with the belief that god could exist, but not believing that one does.

Also,

1. How does someone "come to know god"? Are you just metaphorically speaking about the voices in your head or referring to a book of some sort? There is no definitive difference between people claiming they "speak to god" and people with schitzophrenia, and any normal person would be terrified if someone started talking to them in their head, even more so trying to influence their actions.

2. Why do you believe in a deist god? The belief in a deist god breaks down in arguments sake when you consider the argument. You believe that all this couldn't just come from nothing and that a god had to create it. Yet, when doing so you are just proposing a harder question and not answering the original one. Where did god come from? If you allow yourself to say we are so complex we must have been designed, you must also ask where a god that is infinitely more complex and had the power to create us and exist in its own complex self at the same time came from. And in that, the argument falls flat, and the answer ultimately can't be found.
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"Religious people tend to be smarter" - by Heat - September 26, 2015 at 12:26 am
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