Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist

[The Grand Nudger]

-this, isn't why. (are they all mental, and what does it mean for them to be mental, btw?)

It means they are experiences.  It means they are qualia.

-and?  I'd just ask the same thing again, because you didn't answer the question at all, and apparently we're still talking about the same thing, so the question remains.

Maybe not, but when of two competing positions, one requires no assertions about the nature of mind, and the other does, then the latter needs to sufficiently prove the necessity of fighting with Occam's Razor.  Your view adds nothing to my world view that can't be subsumed by an idealistic world view, but it adds one more thing we have to pretend we know about in arriving at conclusions about reality.

IOW, you're comfortable with stolen concepts, and that's fine, but it makes for a poor argument.  I've suggested before that this wasn't true.  If your worldview is actually capable of subsuming a materialists...you ought to be able to explain that....and you've been provided with opportunity after opportunity to do so.  If you can't explain it, stop claiming it, is that such a terrible rule of thumb? 

"Black box" is just a metaphor for the unknowable.  Don't get to excited by its literal meaning-- though what do I expect from a staunch materialist?

You mean..we're only metaphorically stuck in a metaphoric box?  That doesn't sound very serious. 

Don't you find it odd that you're -incapable- of describing anything about your position without reaching into my goody bag - even for metaphors?  As metaphor, you will still have to explain why we are stuck in that box.  We're stuck in the materialists box for well established reasons. Why/how would anything be "unknowable"....in an idealists world? What prevents us from achieving knowledge in that world? For example, to me, what's happening on the other side of the galaxy this very minute is an unknowable, and the reason that this is so -seems- to be very material..or at least we're not short of material explanations for why I can't possess that knowledge. If those material limitations are not representative (because materialism is not representative) then what's stopping me? I see no explanation as to why there even -exists- such a thing as "the unknowable" from an idealists camp.

Now...for shits and giggles...can you tell me why an idea self made of idea stuff can't get out of an idea box?  What's preventing that?

No, the box is still just a metaphor for the unknowable.  One knows what one experiences, and the rest constitute gradations of belief, or at best contextual knowledge.

Was that a response to what you quoted?  If you can't explain how this metaphor holds, if you cannot explain why we are trapped in this metaphoric box, then clearly your worldview -cannot- subsume a materialists worldview...despite your constant claims. That's not how this works. How would you respond to me if I claimed that the odinist worldview subsumes the idealist worldview?