RE: How it was forged.
October 13, 2015 at 5:25 am
(This post was last modified: October 13, 2015 at 5:48 am by ReptilianPeon.)
Only a really ignorant person would view Saudi as representative of an entire religion (e.g. someone who doesn't know about Shia, Ibadi, Ahmadi etc.). All I'm saying is we don't know if Allah will let anyone from the Saudi establishment into Jannah. Even though the Saudis don't represent everyone, Allah could still accept them into Jannah because they might have done enough to enter (there is no Tafsir provided by Allah unfortunately).
An Ismaili or an Ahmadi would never treat women like the Saudis do. In fact, Ismalis are known to have men and women pray together! It's also true that modern Sufis aren't so regressive either, though in centuries before they did used to be big on the whole Jihad thing, which surprised me. I guess these days the Sufis are too busy smoking Hashish.
5:32 Only applies to the "children of Israel". It even says, "Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever". So that verse does not apply to either of us.
17:33 What does the verse mean by "unjustly"? I think that all the Egyptian children that died during the time of Moses and victims of the flood of Noah were all killed "unjustly". How do we eliminate the subjectivity of the interpretation of the word "unjustly"?
My point with the Djinn is that I am not religious because none of the religions have succeeded in convincing me. I used to watch lots of inter religious debates (e.g. Bible VS Quran), and both sides had convincing arguments against the other side so I eventually decided that they must be both wrong. I accepted that people refuse to see the flaws in the book they are arguing for. Not to mention, the story of Noah's flood is ridiculous in both the Bible and the Quran. Take this Iyah for example:
11:42 So the Ark floated with them on the waves (towering) like mountains, and Noah called out to his son, who had separated himself (from the rest): "O my son! embark with us, and be not with the unbelievers!"
Both books are focused on this tiny area of the world, despite the claim made by Quran 10:47, a particularly ironic Iyah:
10:47 To every people (was sent) a messenger: when their messenger comes (before them), the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged.
Where are these messengers? Some, in particular the Ahmadis, claim that Buddha was a prophet yet I see no positive evidence for this. But this only one person. Did Allah send a prophet to the people of the Americas? I don't think so. Where was Allah when the Aztecs were enslaving people and offering them as tributes to their sun deity because they were afraid the sun wouldn't rise the next day if they didn't?
I think we have to accept the fact that prophets were not sent to all people. The verse is silly because there is no record of such things. The Chinese never spoke about such prophets. Neither did the Indians. Or the Japanese. Or the Inca. The list goes on.
But then we find out Allah is leading people astray (thus taking away their free will):
14:4 We sent not a messenger except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, full of Wisdom.
An Ismaili or an Ahmadi would never treat women like the Saudis do. In fact, Ismalis are known to have men and women pray together! It's also true that modern Sufis aren't so regressive either, though in centuries before they did used to be big on the whole Jihad thing, which surprised me. I guess these days the Sufis are too busy smoking Hashish.
5:32 Only applies to the "children of Israel". It even says, "Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever". So that verse does not apply to either of us.
17:33 What does the verse mean by "unjustly"? I think that all the Egyptian children that died during the time of Moses and victims of the flood of Noah were all killed "unjustly". How do we eliminate the subjectivity of the interpretation of the word "unjustly"?
My point with the Djinn is that I am not religious because none of the religions have succeeded in convincing me. I used to watch lots of inter religious debates (e.g. Bible VS Quran), and both sides had convincing arguments against the other side so I eventually decided that they must be both wrong. I accepted that people refuse to see the flaws in the book they are arguing for. Not to mention, the story of Noah's flood is ridiculous in both the Bible and the Quran. Take this Iyah for example:
11:42 So the Ark floated with them on the waves (towering) like mountains, and Noah called out to his son, who had separated himself (from the rest): "O my son! embark with us, and be not with the unbelievers!"
Both books are focused on this tiny area of the world, despite the claim made by Quran 10:47, a particularly ironic Iyah:
10:47 To every people (was sent) a messenger: when their messenger comes (before them), the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged.
Where are these messengers? Some, in particular the Ahmadis, claim that Buddha was a prophet yet I see no positive evidence for this. But this only one person. Did Allah send a prophet to the people of the Americas? I don't think so. Where was Allah when the Aztecs were enslaving people and offering them as tributes to their sun deity because they were afraid the sun wouldn't rise the next day if they didn't?
I think we have to accept the fact that prophets were not sent to all people. The verse is silly because there is no record of such things. The Chinese never spoke about such prophets. Neither did the Indians. Or the Japanese. Or the Inca. The list goes on.
But then we find out Allah is leading people astray (thus taking away their free will):
14:4 We sent not a messenger except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, full of Wisdom.
