(March 3, 2009 at 5:47 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:(March 2, 2009 at 7:58 pm)atrasicarius Wrote: The point is that if you dont like the laws where you are, you can go somewhere else, or start your own community. Sure the laws will be kind of crappy in some communities by our definition, but "people get the government they deserve." If they want to be idiots, that's their right.
Well, quite apart from you being wrong for reasons already given (you didn't actually deal with my point about teaching creationism), I think the proponents of so-called anarchy don't actually want true anarchy, they just want the laws and government constructs they find oppressive (impinge upon THEIR freedoms) to f*** right off.
Personally I am reasonably happy with the democratic system we (in the UK) have ... yes certain administrations go too far but every 4 to 5 years we have elections and that's when I get my chance to say what I think by putting a tick in the box of the party I would prefer to be in.
IMO centralised government is a necessary evil and, if run according to a society's morality (and in democratic systems laws do tend to reflect a given society's moral stance) tend to be rights based and that's a reasonably good thing I suppose (though I don't tend to believe in rights per se).
Kyu
The democratic system we had in the UK offered some hope up until 1985 when Kinnock, erstwhile firebrand of the left, delivered his famous conference speech on the subject of the Militant Council in Liverpool, which was actually fighting Thatcherism rather than giving in, just like the miners who were left to fight alone by the " new realists " at the TUC who should have called a General Strike at the outset of the strike in 84. Thatcher should have been taken on and defeated! Instead, the working class was beaten and we are still suffering the consequences today.
The point is, that from then on, the Labour Party gave up on offering a socialist alternative and eventually became " new Labour " which was more accurately " new Conservative ".
The tactic worked in terms of forming a government and winning elections, but what for? Not for what the Labour Party was formed for.
Even worse, the conservatives too are rebranding themselves in much the same way so as to appeal to the midle class types who voted new Labour in!
Thus, today the uk voter does not have the choice between a capitalist ( Tory ) party and a socialist ( Labour ) party..and the Liberals ( or whatever they call themselves ), who are plain confused.
The choice is simply which coloured rosette you favour in the knowledge that it will be a capitalist rosette.
So, if we could have our old right/left parties back again, I'd be as content as you Kyu.
A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
