(November 2, 2015 at 12:43 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:(November 2, 2015 at 12:28 pm)Drich Wrote: I revamped once i got more of his arguement.
Again it is very clear that Paul is drawing a contrast between 'the faithful' who happen to be pagan out of ignorance, and the EVIL who Paul identifies as "Evil Man" several times in Romans. Paul makes a provision and contrasts for the 'ignorant pagan' worshiping to the best of his ability verse the Evil Man of romans 1 that your 'expert' did not make. These nuances your 'expert' omited invalidate his claim that the Paul of Acts is teaching something different in Romans. Dispite what ever status and pedigree you wish award him with.
Up to this point both members of team rocket need to admit that neither of you wanted to look at the content of his claim, and only his status as a 'expert.' Which again is indeed an argument from authority.
It is my interpretation (remember, I agreed with much of what you think about Romans, so far) that Paul is referring to every person as "the evil man"
What is it in the book of Romans that makes you suggest that Paul is speaking about all of Humanity?
Because clearly when he comes to the 'end of this chapter' he contrasts the works of the 'Saved' against the works of 'Evil men' that are listed in chapter one. this would indicate that in Chapter one he is not speaking to everyone. also a good indicator is the list of sins, not everyone takes part in.
In truth Paul is recounting the documented troubles the jews had themselves with god, that are only exaggerated that much more in a Godless society.
Rom 1:28 People did not think it was important to have a true knowledge of God. So God left them and allowed them to have their own worthless thinking. And so they do what they should not do. 29 They are filled with every kind of sin, evil, greed, and hatred. They are full of jealousy, murder, fighting, lying, and thinking the worst things about each other. They gossip 30 and say evil things about each other. They hate God. They are rude, proud, and brag about themselves. They invent ways of doing evil. They don’t obey their parents, 31 they are foolish, they don’t keep their promises, and they show no kindness or mercy to others. 32 They know God’s law says that anyone who lives like that should die. But they not only continue to do these things themselves, but they also encourage others who do them.
verse Romans 2
2 So do you think that you can judge those other people? You are wrong. You too are guilty of sin. You judge them, but you do the same things they do. So when you judge them, you are really condemning yourself. 2 God judges all who do such things, and we know his judgment is right. 3 And since you do the same things as those people you judge, surely you understand that God will punish you too. How could you think you would be able to escape his judgment? 4 God has been kind to you. He has been very patient, waiting for you to change. But you think nothing of his kindness. Maybe you don’t understand that God is kind to you so that you will decide to change your lives.
The contrast from the Romans 1 group, to the Romans 2 group, is group 1 is identified as Evil, group 2 is identified as sinful. Group 2 is not the same as group one because Sin is an involuntary (as we will learn if we can continue on with this study) while Evil is embracing/loving the sin you do. So two different groups means Paul is not speaking about all of man kind in chapter 1 just 'evil man' just as he says in verse 18. which means group 2 is also repersented by the group of 'pagans' of acts 17.
Which again poops on the expert's idea that what Paul taught in Act 17 is different than what was taught in Romans. (1 and 2)
