(November 4, 2015 at 2:31 pm)Drich Wrote:(November 4, 2015 at 1:27 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Drich, I don't understand why you persist in this hair-splitting. Paul's formula is pretty clear:
Sin nature + can't help sinning + heard the Truth of Gawd™ - accepting The Truth™ = Evil.
You're ignoring Paul's idea of redemptive theology, in which the ONLY difference between giving in to our evil impulses is to follow Jesus. Just because SOME are MORE evil-inclined than others doesn't mean he made a SPECIAL category for the former. You're telling us if we squint and look at it sideways we'll agree with your personal inside knowledge of Paul and not with the many Biblical experts from outside your clique.
As my drill instructior once advised me, "Sometimes, when everyone else is marching on the wrong foot, you should consider the possibility that it's really just you."
Book chapter and verse for your formula please.
Because in Chapter 2:10-16 Paul spells out we all sin with or without the law. (all are sinners/no good people.)
Those who love sin more than the truth/God are evil
Chapter 1:24/25 Those who wanted their sin more than God/truth are considered Evil.
Chapter 2 states Believers are still sinners/sinning all the time. Therefore are not to judge the Evil people, because we too are still guilty of the same sins the evil are. what seperates us is the love of sin the Evil have, verse the Love of God/truth we have. That's it.
So in formula form
Good= no one, not even the saved.
All=sinners
Sinner=Hope of redemption
Those who love sin more than God/truth= Evil
Evil people=God turned over to sin/No hope of redemption
Not all non believers are Evil.
While Paul is talking to the church at Rome, remember this message is a gospel message, meaning not everyone He is speaking to is currently a believer.
That's exactly what I said.
Sinners all + (know The Truth of Gawd™ + accept The Way™ of Jayzus) = Not Evil
Sinners all + (know The Truth of Gawd™ - accept The Way™ of Jayzus) = Evil
The difference being that those who have not yet known the truth don't need to add in the part in the parentheses, according to Paul, as they may yet be following The Way™ without having heard the message, though they might just as well be rejecting The Way™ without having heard the message.
It's still my formula.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
