(November 4, 2015 at 10:45 am)Little Rik Wrote: That is a load of garbage Pinky.
You can see all the things that you describe but you can not see the Boss.
Who's the Boss?
The Boss is the one who decide to start the action to think or to do something.
You can open a car.
You can see the energy as fuel or stored in the battery.
You can see so many things but until the driver decide to start the car nothing really happen.
You are confusing the physical side with the entity that is in charge.
That's what we've been trying to tell you, Rik. There is no "Boss." There is no "you" or "self" in the sense that your brain generally considers those words. You are merely a conglomeration of brain functions that work together to steer a body around. If we start turning off parts of your brain, the parts of "you" that those areas gave function to will cease to exist as long as that part of the brain is off. Your personality, your ability to recognize faces, your ability to use language...all of these can be disabled by simply damaging or removing specific parts of your brain. If those things were part of a spirit or permanent consciousness of some kind, then those parts of you would still be there despite the body being compromised.
What you're claiming here is that there is some other, undiscovered function making consciousness happen because we can't prove there isn't and you can't believe there isn't. That is nothing more than an argument from ignorance wrapped in an argument from personal incredulity, both of which are fallacies. Until you can produce evidence that something else is present and responsible for consciousness, there is no reason to believe you.
For the last time, NDEs are not evidence that the mind does not need the brain. During the near death experiences you've described/linked to, the person loses consciousness, their brain activity drops below detectable levels, and then they wake up later. For all you know, the "visions" they describe are happening in the moments of unconsciousness before brain activity drops below what's detectable. It's also possible that during those moments, we're just not currently able to detect or assign meaning to whatever meager brain activity is still happening, and you'd have to rule out that possibility before moving onto "magic consciousness" because it's simpler and more easily testable. Occam's Razor, bitch.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com