(November 9, 2015 at 10:33 am)Drich Wrote:(November 7, 2015 at 11:15 am)Drich Wrote: How can you speak of dishonesty when your still cutting up verses and misrepresenting them?
" and we finally get to the truth. You admit to quoting the passages dishonestly, because you do not respect them. So in your intellectual mind, you think it is ok to dishonestly handle what people have said and done, just because you on some level can find offense?/It is ok to be intellectually dishonest if you do not respect an ideology... What about something you do respect? is it ok to be intellectually dishonest about something you do respect and are trying to protect?/do you also lie about things that support your position when you know they are wrong? "
no i never did quote anything dishonestly or lie about any quotes or fabricate or invent anything so why would i admit to doing that ? I said i have no respect for the quotes but im not going to be dishonest about bible verses whether i agree with them or not . yes i agree truth speaks for itself and the truth is that the bible contradicts itself in many many places thats why christians have to learn the best ways to convince people that the bible doesnt really say what it says (apologetics)
Quote: Again, being Homosexual has absolutely nothing to do with the identification of their sin. They are in sexual sin because they have sex (what Kind is irrelevant) outside the confines of a sanctified marriage, and Jesus did infact speak on/Against that. Their sin is sexual in nature, just like all other sexual sin. Meaning it is not unforgivable IF one repents of it, one will never repent if one can somehow make sin 'moral.'
you have yet to show even in the bible that it is a sin any worse than eating shellfish , which noone considers a sin , because of the "new covenant" . although homosexuality was widespread Jesus never spoke against it although he spoke against many things . so still waiting for you to show that it is even a sin that is worse than eating shellfish , or worse than any other sin . and what business of it is yours to judge anyone else even if you do think its a sin . your not God and its not your job to judge anyone your only job according to jesus is to love God and love one another and that is keeping the law . or are you going to pull out your apologetics to explain why it is ok to judge other people and discriminate and invalidate everything jesus said about that issue . im sure you can explain how everything jesus said should be discounted and invalidated
" it is absolutely as Good as it can be... That is what the primary meaning of the word perfect means. Not what you have twisted together in an attempt to bend the truth and change the definition of a word to support your own version of reality. Your delusion does not fly well in the light of truth does it? "
thats what i said , its " perfect " but at the same time very flawed and the only way to eliminate the flaws is to learn greek and read it in greek and avoid the inevitable translation errors . dont translate ! you mean christians are too lazy to learn greek language if it means understanding the uncorrupted Word of God 100% accurate instead of 10-30% flawed due to translation errors and "language incompatability"
Quote:This is your primary problem. You 'feel' you way to truth, with little to no regaurd for what is actually true... How can you live like this? It would make me crazy not knowing anything for sure.. But I guess you have over come that by going with what 'feels' right and changing/ignoring actual truth when confronted by it, to match what you think truth should be. This is literally an example of what a close mind does. You have closed your mind off to EVERYTHING you don't like/Doesn't already fit your reality.
you mean like how the vast majority of christians have no interest in learning the " truth " of Gods word enough to learn the greek language and read the uncorrupted word of God for themselves as originally written ?
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today
Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also - Mark Twain

The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also - Mark Twain