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If there is an afterlife...
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RE: If there is an afterlife...
(December 22, 2010 at 7:36 pm)Chuck Wrote: Define:

1. Higher dimension
2. Heaven
3. Digital physics

Google is your friend.

(December 23, 2010 at 6:49 am)theVOID Wrote: The universe is an information processing system to about the same extent as a pile of rocks in a washing machine is Rayaan...

That's not a good comparison because the universal computation is actually much more powerful and beautiful than a pile of rocks in a washing machine.

(December 23, 2010 at 6:49 am)theVOID Wrote: And i fucking hate this bastardised definition and use of information.

What's the bastardized definition that you're talking about?

(December 23, 2010 at 6:49 am)theVOID Wrote: The only 'information' is the way the elementary particles and force carriers are positioned relative to each other. Again that is 'information' in the same way the distance and angle between my washing-machine rocks are at any given moment. We could even find a way to control the direction a predesignated face of the rock is pointing and do computations with it.

That's a part of the definition but not the whole thing, because you didn't take into consideration the fact that the position and velocity of the rocks will change from one moment to the next inside the washing machine according to the laws of physics. The washing machine is the computer, the rocks are the input, and the laws of physics are the program. In this sense, by merely existing and evolving in time, any physical system, whether it's a washing machine or not, transforms or processes that information in a systematic fashion. That's what it means to process the information.

Also, information is more fundamental than matter and energy because energy is the ability for physical systems to do work whereas information is telling the physical systems what to do. Hence Wheeler's phrase "it from bit," which he summarizes the meaning in the following words:

"It from bit. Otherwise put, every 'it' - every particle, every field of force, even the space-time continuum itself - derives its function, its meaning, its very existence entirely - even if in some contexts indirectly - from the apparatus-elicited answers to yes-or-no questions, binary choices, bits. 'It from bit' symbolizes the idea that every item of the physical world has at bottom - a very deep bottom, in most instances - an immaterial source and explanation; that which we call reality arises in the last analysis from the posing of yes–no questions and the registering of equipment-evoked responses; in short, that all things physical are information-theoretic in origin and that this is a participatory universe." (John Archibald Wheeler 1990: 5)

(December 27, 2010 at 1:01 pm)theVOID Wrote: Him quoting Seth Lloyd isn't a bad start.

Thanks, but wasn't that an argument-from-authority fallacy again (as you told me before several times)? ... or ... did I just get better at it somehow?
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Messages In This Thread
If there is an afterlife... - by Darwinian - December 21, 2010 at 9:50 pm
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by thesummerqueen - December 21, 2010 at 10:34 pm
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by Violet - December 21, 2010 at 11:45 pm
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by Shell B - December 22, 2010 at 10:13 am
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by ldarwin - December 22, 2010 at 12:56 pm
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by Tiberius - December 23, 2010 at 4:13 am
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by Violet - December 29, 2010 at 5:18 am
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by theVOID - December 22, 2010 at 1:08 pm
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by Rayaan - December 22, 2010 at 4:46 pm
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by Anomalocaris - December 22, 2010 at 7:36 pm
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by Welsh cake - December 23, 2010 at 3:11 am
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by Anomalocaris - December 23, 2010 at 4:06 am
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by theVOID - December 23, 2010 at 6:49 am
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by Rhizomorph13 - December 27, 2010 at 12:32 pm
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by theVOID - December 27, 2010 at 12:39 pm
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by Rhizomorph13 - December 27, 2010 at 12:51 pm
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by theVOID - December 27, 2010 at 1:01 pm
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by thesummerqueen - December 27, 2010 at 12:55 pm
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by Rhizomorph13 - December 27, 2010 at 12:59 pm
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by thesummerqueen - December 27, 2010 at 1:02 pm
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by Autumnlicious - December 27, 2010 at 3:17 pm
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by Rhizomorph13 - December 27, 2010 at 4:35 pm
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by Rayaan - December 28, 2010 at 1:11 pm
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by Edwardo Piet - December 29, 2010 at 7:40 am
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by Rhizomorph13 - December 29, 2010 at 11:46 am
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by Edwardo Piet - December 29, 2010 at 12:23 pm
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by Violet - December 31, 2010 at 8:50 am
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by Darwinian - December 31, 2010 at 8:55 am
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by Violet - December 31, 2010 at 9:31 am
RE: If there is an afterlife... - by downbeatplumb - December 31, 2010 at 3:43 pm

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