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Wage war on the ideology not the people who hold it.

They go hand in hand. You can't fight one and not the other.

The moment we start discriminating Muslims for their ideology, or anyone for that matter, simply because they have unfavorable ideas yet have not committed a crime, is the moment we take a step backward in religious tolerance.

Nobody has said to start 'discriminating' muslims.

This is the kind of dumbass shit I'm referring to. People like to get on their moral high horse and berate anyone who provides valid criticism by implying "discrimination" and "bigotry".

Outlawing people who possess a certain belief from even being in the same country as us will only make them dislike us more, to which negative action like mass killings become more viable.

How the fuck do we get here from anything said in this thread? Do you people even read?

How do we go from saying we should not be afraid to criticize, and that we should better control our borders, to saying "outlawing people"?

And there is no viability in mass killing. It's your kind of attitude in pandering to this bullshit that breeds fear and causes people to not speak out. You're afraid of criticising because it might lead to mass killings. That's essentially what you've just said here.

Well no. Charlie Hebdo would like a word with you. I will not bow to the threat of mass killings and I will not let you silence me by implying I'm the one who's causing the problem.

People are not to blame, the ideology is, only when that ideology is acted upon, are the people to blaim.

Who makes up the ideology? Who acts upon the ideology?

Oh right. People.

You know what the problem is? People don't want to place blame. And people shy away from saying the obvious. Muslims are a problem as much as Islam is a problem. They are one and the same and constantly trying to separate the two is pandering to a pussy-footing PC agenda to save from offending people.

I don't care what you say. I am not going to see innocent peoples as my enemies simply because I disagree with their beliefs, that's called bigotry.

Moral high horse moral high horse moral high horse.

Does it feel good up there?

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Yes, you can fight one and not the other.
If you had an ideology that was against African Americans, saying they were unequal, do I wage war on you as a person?
No, but I can certainly degrade your beliefs.

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You interpreted me wrong/I used the wrong word.
I am not saying mass killings are ever justifiable, but a mentally unstable person will be more enticed to do something like that if you discriminate against them.

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Maybe I mispoke, I read a post by someone yesterday that was similar to this but explaining that we should outlaw Muslims from entering certain countries out of fear their ideology would lead them to commit heinous acts. If that is not what you are implying, i'm sorry for making assumptions, that's essentially what I was arguing against.

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Just because someone is trying to look at both sides of the argument does not mean you have to instantly call them out and say "MORAL HIGH HORSE MORAL HIGH HORSE" like they are trying to act better than you. I'm not pandering to the "PC-Pussy footing agenda", I am expressing my beliefs, hell yesterday I argued my opinion against 4 other people in disagreement, and was completely in the minority. I'm not trying to appease anyone with my views, I am simply sharing them.




An ideology does not define a person, I am not stupid enough to believe that.
Say i'm on my "moral high horse", go ahead, it really is overused and meaningless unless someone is actually trying to act better than you morally, or the general public, which doesn't apply to me. Just because I have a view, or rather a hope, that humanity can be treated and deserves to be treated equally, does not mean I am trying to appease or pander to anyone whatsoever, or am acting like I am an angel of some sort. So take it as you will.