(November 23, 2015 at 12:49 pm)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: You're saying that some LGBT people are mentally ill and some aren't?Yeah, That is the nature of mental illness. Being apart of one club or another does not mean you are safe from it.
Quote: I'm not talking about whether or not they individually have a mental illness,Well, according to the definition I works so hard to provide, Mental-illness can only be accurately assessed on a person by person basis. Unless the parmeters of the definition are being changed to only include one group or another.
Quote:it sounded like what you were saying was that being gay lesbian bisexual or transgender is a mental illness.Accually it didn't. Go back and read what I wrote. I chose my words very carfully.
Quote:That's what it sounded like you were saying.Because that is what you wanted to hear. Again I worked very hard to take your fast and loose definition of mental illness and reassigned it's clinical definition before I spoke. and you ignored it, for your version of that word.
Quote: I'm being an intellectually dishonest lefty?Yes, absolutely when you abandon a medical clinical definition for a political definition.
Not to mention when you fly past a detailed description for your selfrighteous strawman.
Quote:Correct me if I'm wrong but what you said was that I can't disprove that LGBT people aren't mentally ill, which clearly insinuates that you think that being lesbian gay bisexual or transgender is a mental illness.Which again, can indeed be proved if the indivisuals in question fall with in the parameters of mental ill-ness.
Quote:Plus, to add to my suspicion, you show no sympathy towards the issue at all, you come off as defending the right wing side, which fyi is anti homosexual.So?
Does one side or the other get to change a clinical definition just because it suits an argument?
Does one side or the other get to change what the other says just so you can vilify them and make your argument easier? No, if either side does this then that is intellectual dishonesty boarder line propaganda.
what level of self righteousness has to corrupt your mind to where you can actively lie about what the other person says so you can defend your position in an easy way? Sides do not matter here. Honor the facts. if you facts fail, then maybe your on the wrong side no matter which side your on.
Quote:By the way, if people misinterpret the bible all the time then that's just further proof that it's not a reliable source of morality.didn't I already define the word misinterpret for you? The bible is in English, for all English speaking people the chance of an actual misinterpretation is very very low. What is left is misrepresentation, which again can be remedied by a contextual reading.
Quote:So you can be an apologeticanother word you need to look up.
Quote: about it all you want, but the point is it's just fairy tales and people can get some good messages out of it, but also use it to further whatever agenda they have by taking what the bible or koran says "out of context".this is a failed argument.
Again it is based on the meaning of the word misinterpret. which is not what is happening here. What you are describing is a misrepresentation. that means a simple contextual reading puts the passage back into it's context. to misinterpret means to have confusion on actual word meanings/definations. For instance if the bible was only available in the greek, to misinterpret is to mis translate the words. But again as the bible is not written in everyday English a misinterpretation is very very rare.
Your argument fails because it is based on interpretation when interpretation has been taken out of a biblical reading. Like wise with the Koran it has only ever been available in the home language of the people who use it 'properly.' It only has been recently translated to other languages.
Quote:It really doesn't matter to argue those points, because the world would be a better place without these fucking millennium old books still governing people's lives. It's psychotic.So you don't understand what I was telling you about 'pop morality' being subjective, without abolutes? That my foolish young friend is what is truly psychotic.
"No, 'smarty.'" "Are you still in high school? If so I can turn down the 'complexity' of what I am saying so as not to lose you." "Seriously? Do you truly not understand that your 'reality' is NOT what the universe revolves around?" Why do I feel like I'm arguing with a condescending jackass. Have my eyes deceived me?
Quote:It's funny how you make the whole reality is subjective argument for my views being wrong.do you not understand that I used the actual definition of the word reality to do that? what confuses you about this? I showed you what the word mentally ill really means. it was based on two other words, which I defined. both centered around one's ability to perceive reality. Then I pointed out that 'reality' changes from society to society. I also showed you that you were wrongly assuming that your society was the only right and correct version of 'reality.' And, how your blind allegiance to this society and this set of rules would leave you open to any society and any set of rules if you did not have " several 1000 year old books" to be an anchor for you. that with out some absolutes that are always true you and your 'morality' are doomed to spiral down to eventually we all become what we now hate.
Quote:How You even said that today's cultural view of what is a mental illness could change next decade, so you're just confirming my own statement that it's totally arbitrary.Yes same conclusion, for far different reasons.
Quote:It's true that in some cultures the views of what constitutes reality is different, I think in Uganda someone was put in a mental asylum for being an atheist. I've also seen the word "leftist propaganda" come out of you enough times,I promise you I have not used that term 3 times in the last 10 years. (on this board or any other.) Not that I am opposed to it, I just don't throw it around unless it can be used to accurately describe what is going on.
Your examples are 2 of 3 total on this board according to a search.
Quote: in regards to LGBT people to know that you're homophobic, dude.what about homosexuals do you think it is I am afraid of exactly?
Quote:Just admit it. It's funny how you're even trying to argue with me about this stuff because to me, because I disagree with pretty much everything you say. When we don't see eye to eye on something you decide to start acting like a sanctimonious prick. Maybe I'm guilty of that a little bit too, but we're never going to agree on this.Again, what does your inability to use the word 'mental illness' or 'misinterpret' correctly have to do with homosexuals?
Since your new I will give you the benfit of the doubt.
My view of homosexuals are they are in sin like any other person having sex outside of a sanctified marriage. No better, no worse. they are equal. that said I don't fear a homosexual anymore than I fear my 'buddy' buzzy for nailing every nasto chick that can put up with his "situation."
no better no worse still in the same state of sin.
Simple minded atheist move:
Can win on topic, find something you can use to attack your opponents character, that way you don't have to listen through all your self righteous name calling on how bad you are actually loosing the conversation.
Sound like anyone you know?
