dqualk Wrote:I see that a lot of people really hate the idea of a God who would cast them into eternal hell fire for looking at porn or something akin, and supposedly He loves us so much and all this business. So I thought I would post my vision of the next life.Looking at porn, putting your genitals into an unapproved human hole, various thought crimes, not submitting yourself to absolute and unquestioning fealty... the list of crimes goes on with some being more ridiculous than others.
dqualk Wrote:Anyway, I believe when one dies he does not perish, in the sense of disappear or something akin. Everyone passes into God's love. In fact, we are all already in the presence of God's love even now. When one passes his soul is judged by God, as to the content of its hate.That's nice that you believe that, but salvation is stated in the bible to be directly related to accepting Jesus under the interpretation of your local church. It doesn't seem to matter what emotion you're experiencing or how sinful you've been because it clearly matters more whether or not you've accepted Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior.
If one is void of hate, one passes into heaven, which is in fact only a more pure presence of God's love, in which one is able to more fully participate in God's love by returning His love with love.
Given the number of different churches, however, that milage may vary.
dqualk Wrote:Therefore, Hell is not God's hate on a person; it is God's love which is returned with hate. God would do anything short of changing a person's nature to bring them into heaven. My entire approach relies upon the mystery of free will, which makes no sense, apart from the fact that we experience it every day. But it is impossible to speculate on, as it makes no sense within the context of a Sovereign God who is omnipotent/omniscient.This has already been established. Purgatory is neither heaven nor hell. It is nothing. Hell is the absense of God's love because the Devil himself occupies the lowest level of hell, which is the place furthest from god, where Satan's power is greatest.
dqualk Wrote:I am curious, is there anyone who thinks that if God were real they would eternally hate him, even if it were painful? Also, you Theist's/agnostics what do you think heaven and hell is and why? And finally, you atheists, what do you think about this approach to heaven and hell? Do you hate it, is it nice but obviously false because God isn't real, or something else?My opinion toward a real-life god would become greatly dependant upon his previous actions toward humanity.
The god of the bible is a jealous, murderous villian. I have no love for such a being because I think no emotion other than disdain would be apprpriate or whatever emotion would be appropriate for a convicted felon or mass murderer.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
