(December 10, 2015 at 4:01 pm)RobbyPants Wrote:We would have to explore some of the finer points of theology and philosophy to fully explore the possible explanations and implications to that question. I will simply say that most theologians do agree that a person is dead in his/her sins. How this relates to free-will is to say that a person is only able to make choices consistent with his/her nature. Therefore while a person is dead in sin, only choices resulting in sin are possible. From there, at the point of regeneration, God raises a dead sinner to new life through faith in Jesus Christ. By means of the new life a believer is able to make choices consistent with a new nature that involves both the nature of Christ (God) and his/her former sinful nature. How does this work functionally? If I do good is it only God's will, not mine, acting through me? Is it my free-will cooperating with His will (thereby giving me some of the credit for doing good)? Even if it is my free-will cooperating with His will, can I take credit for doing good when I am only able to do good because He first raised me to a new life? I don't know, but hopefully I've answered your initial question.(December 10, 2015 at 11:44 am)orangebox21 Wrote: That is an excellent question, but a different one than "is God responsible for my actions?"
Yes, it is different, but again, I was asking in regards to what you said:
(December 7, 2015 at 4:18 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: In this case the exemption: God is responsible when we do good, but not responsible when we do bad, is made because in one instance it is me acting, and in the other instance it is God acting.
(Emphasis mine)
Perhaps you didn't word that they way you wanted, or you worded it too strongly. When I read that, I see you saying that we do good when God acts, and we don't due to our choice. Is that what you meant?
Either way, can we only do good if God acts? Can we do bad when God acts?
(December 10, 2015 at 4:01 pm)RobbyPants Wrote:I think that compatibilist free will is the most reasonable position.(December 10, 2015 at 11:44 am)orangebox21 Wrote: No problem. I would agree in assuming that most people use the word in the libertarian sense. A lot of your argumentation is based upon a deterministic perspective. In order to avoid confusion in our conversation hereafter, are we talking about free will from a libertarian, compatibilist, or deterministic perspective?
Well, going forward, I guess it depends on how you want to use the term. My OP was pointed toward the inconsistency I see broadly in apologetics. If we're talking about your beliefs, I'll need to know how you are using the term. I don't believe in God, so I don't try to reconcile the problem of evil.
In light of what has been explained do you still have your contention? And if so, where?
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?