My Escatological Vision

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I was not born into it. Many people convert to Christianity from various religions. My ancestors were pagans who converted to Christianity, Africa is converting as a massive rate, and Asia is converting slowly.

I wasn't talking about your 'ancestors.' I meant your parents, your immediate family, did they raise you Catholic/Christian?

One can arrive at the conclusion that there is a God using the natural light of reason. Granted that one must accept certain facts as a-priori like you have an intrinsic value and that there is a right and a wrong.

These are not 'facts.' They are your assumptions, which happen to fit in nicely with your own supernatural beliefs. Value is not intrinsic, humans come to their own conclusions about what is valuable. Morality is not absolute, otherwise you would believe slavery and child sacrifice to be acceptable, because your Bible says it is. Ideas about right and wrong evolve as we consider moral issues critically.

Atheism is a delusion, it says ultimately I do not exist, I am really just random reactions brought about by colliding atoms. We know we exist.

Atheism says no such thing. Atheism is only a rejection of belief in God. Of COURSE we exist. We are biological organisms living in a natural world. Our existence makes sense without the unnecessary assumption of a god.

You see when one postulates that the universe makes sense and that there is meaning he arrives at the conclusion that there is an Unmoved Mover to the material realm, and an Unmoved Mover of sorts within the metaphysical realm, in the metaphysical realm this God gives us meaning, a soul, reason and a purpose.

What a load of nonsense. If someone else wants to tackle this, go ahead.

Listen I will never believe that what makes me me is contained solely within material.

Then I invite you to give yourself a nice, thorough lobotomy. Let me know how that works out for you.

I have a firm belief in my soul, and you can not prove to me that there is no soul, so do not say there is not a soul as if you know. I AM NOT TRYING TO SAY YOU SHOULD BELIEVE IN THE SOUL BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT DISPROVE ITS EXISTANCE. However, I am saying that you should not go about proclaiming the non-existance of the soul, and expect me to believe it.

I did not say 'there is no soul.' But you ARE essentially just saying 'you can't disprove the existence of a soul, therefore it exists.' If this is your only reason for firmly believing in a soul, then I'm sorry, but that's quite pathetic.

Present us some evidence on which you base this 'firm belief in a soul,' other than the Bible and your own subjective feelings. Then maybe we can have an intelligent conversation. Because so far, the empirical real-world evidence is not in your favor.

Ultimately Christianity and Theism teach that death and nihil is not the final say, it is not our ultimate destiny; rather, life is our final destiny. If you choose to BELIEVE that death is certainly the final say, that is your business.

Death is final, as scary as that is. And this is why atheists appreciate life more, not less; we realize that this life is all we have, and we try to live it to the fullest. Ironically, this world and this life actually has less value if you only see it as a waiting room for the next life.

Theism is a tried and true way to view the world.

No, it's not. Maybe in the days when we had no other way to explain things. But like it or not, science is rapidly making religious explanations and offerings obsolete. Unfortunately, there will always be individuals looking for an easy answer, and for that, religion is the ultimate cop out.