RE: My Escatological Vision
January 20, 2011 at 10:51 am
(This post was last modified: January 20, 2011 at 4:12 pm by dqualk.)
Quote:Another theist who likes to redefine words. Oh boy.
Ok, first off, atheists can have spiritual beliefs. Which is why calling every atheist a materialist would be wrong since it isn't true. I happen to be a materialist but I just wanted to make clear that not all atheists are materialists. An atheist is simply one who does not believe in a god. It couldn't be more simple. If you can't understand that then you're either an idiot or you're in denial. Both Wiki and the good old English dictionary agree with me.
I know this. Many people use athiest in the way I do when they are not being exceptionally specific. But for your sake I'll be more specific. Personally I think any educated person reading this should be able to pick out what kind of atheist that I am currently in dialouge with. I recognize there are many atheists and I am not putting them all in one basket, I am simply using the term atheist for simplicities sake. But ill use materialist atheist just for all of you.
Quote:It doesn't strengthen you're argument. Since it's a lousy point to make. Alot of people believed that the earth was the centre of the universe, were they right about that? Fuck no! So it doesn't matter how many believe in a god, they can still all be wrong as hell. A lie is a lie, no matter how many believe it.Yes it does stengthen my arguement. For example, I would not believe in evolution if it were not for the fact that most scientist do. Does that fact make it right? No. Does it make it more likely than other theories? Yes. It is true that it can still be wrong despite the number who believe in something, just like evolution can still be wrong, and so can relativity, however, they are very likely due to various reasons. Also, if you would read the entire thread you would see that both of these issues so far have already been dealt with.
Quote: Did you know everyone is born atheist? No baby ever comes out of their mother with a belief in god. And since all you need in order to be an atheist is to simply lack belief in a god, every child starts off as an atheist. Some remain atheist like myself. So I'm willing to bet that atheism has been around much longer than religion.
Well I think an agnostic would be better. Belief is a hard thing to pin down. Clearly infants have some beliefs, for exmaple, they believe that theyre parents want to take care of them, for this reason they latch to the boob, even if that believe is simply hard wired within them.
And Ace Otana, if you are an agnostic I am clearly not talking to you concerning burden of proof. I recognize that the burden of proof is not on you.
And if you have any questions I would be glad to talk about whatever.
@ Pad It is to bad you think that way, but unless you want to prove that I am a fool then perhaps you should have your conversation some where else?
@ Min I would hate the straw man you have built for me too. You have clearly not sought out what my real opinion on the abuse scandal is. I don't blame you. Its a hard thing to accep the validity of others beliefs, as it makes you feel uncomfortable, so you come up with some excuse to hate them and "write them off." Like he supports a pedophile church, when that is clearly not thte case.
And at least I now know that you are not usually a troll, you just really dislike me so you troll me personally. That is a step in the right direction I suppose.
@ Mid how do you find the podcast? Is it on itunes or something? Thanks for the recommendation.
Quote: Hmmm... Still seems a bit... 'fuzzy'. Could you elaborate please?
Are you asking me to elaborate or min?
If you are asking me I agree with everyone that the bishops, priests et al. involced in the grave abuse scandal comitted evil and they need to be handed over to the authorities. What I pointed out is that the teachings of the Church teach against the evil of molestation and cover ups, and the Canon Law of the Church says a priest is to be defrocked and handed over to the secular authorities. The bishops et al broke protocal and "covered it up" so that their brother bishops would not see what they had done. For this reason, the Pope et al. could not see to it that Canon Law was carried out, and that victims were cared for properly.
My point is, when one atheist does something evil I do not bind it upon all atheists. You should not do this to the Catholic Church either. However, I can bind on all atheists that they do not believe in God. In the same way we can bind on the Church their teaching that pedophilia is a grave and evil deed, and so is covering it up. We can also, in a more limited way, bind on the Church her Canon Laws, and these laws teach that these idiots who do evil are to be dealt with properly by defrocking and giving to the secular authorities. So if anything the Church herself is good on the issue concerning the abuse scandal, however, and I will agree with those who make this charge, some of her members are downright evil.
