Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: June 12, 2025, 5:45 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
My Escatological Vision
#78
RE: My Escatological Vision
(January 23, 2011 at 2:47 pm)dqualk Wrote: Rape is far worse than non-belief under certain conditions. The thing that is unforgivable about both is a hate for God.

Non-belief doesn’t involve hatred for God; you can’t hate something that doesn’t exist.

(January 23, 2011 at 2:47 pm)dqualk Wrote: In Christianity anytime we commit a mortal sin we actually sin twice, we sin against God, that is we blaspheme love and meaning and all good things, and we do the particular sin like say not believe in God, or something even as heinous as molestation. All sins are forgivable excpet blaspheming God's love, which is returning God's loving-kindness with hate.

Again, the ‘sin’ of not-believing in God can’t involve hating him, if you don’t believe in him. Blasphemy is not a crime to an atheist, because there is no victim.

(January 23, 2011 at 2:47 pm)dqualk Wrote: So if you don't believe in God becasu you are legitimately seeking truth in charity, and that is the honest conclusion that you have come to, then I believe you will go to heaven, because Christ tells us that He who seeks shall find, and if you are seeking in charity, then you will find that Christ is Truth, so I'm not worried about you.

I mean charity as a disposition of the will. God is Truth. All truth flows form His Truth, in my belief, so if it is true then it is of God.

Well in the end if you sought Truth with a charitable disposition I believe you sought Christ in a different way. If you are only pretending to seek truth or if you seek truth hatefully then I believe that you are not seeking truth at all, that is what I mean by you need a charitable disposition as a opposed to a hateful disposition. If Christ is Truth (in my view He is), and you are seeking Truth, then you are seeking Christ so you are a Christian (from my point of view).

So even a nonbeliever seeking truth is going to end up finding Christ or God?

How does one ‘pretend’ to seek the truth, or seek it in a hateful way?

See, for me, truth is reality. I am seeking the best explanations for reality and real-life phenomena that are backed by the most comprehensive and non-contradictory evidence. And seeking truth in this way only moves me further away from the god hypothesis, not closer.

(January 23, 2011 at 2:47 pm)dqualk Wrote: And in the end when Christ reveals Himself to us in a more complete way you will believe, and if you choose not to beleive despite your knowledge that God exists, then that is blaspheming God. I hope that makes sense.

No, sorry, that doesn't make much sense. If God revealed his existence in some objectively verifiable way, then I would have no choice but to believe. The evidence would be there in front of me, and in front of others too, and I’d be a fool to ignore it. That's like saying 'I have evidence and knowledge that the chair I'm sitting in exists, but I choose not to believe it.' That would be self-delusion, and I'm not a big fan of that.

So unless God/Christ unambiguously reveals himself one day (which I think is highly unlikely), I cannot go through life just having blind faith in his existence.

(January 23, 2011 at 2:47 pm)dqualk Wrote: So are you saying that someone experience God in the past and that is why people believe it today Wink.

If the child is never exposed to God he may come up with God on his own, like our ancestors must have done, unless God revealed Himself to them, which I believe He reveals Himself to us to this day.

I’m not talking about someone ‘experiencing’ God. I mean hearing about God, from parents, society, etc.

I do find the origins of religion quite interesting. Some human ancestors had to have come up with the idea of a god at some point, most likely to explain natural phenomena that they didn’t understand. The concept of ‘god’ was then passed down through the generations, and entire mythologies evolved around it.
[Image: 186305514v6_480x480_Front_Color-Black-1.jpg]
Reply



Messages In This Thread
My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 15, 2011 at 9:00 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by TheDarkestOfAngels - January 15, 2011 at 9:15 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Minimalist - January 15, 2011 at 9:24 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by padraic - January 17, 2011 at 6:46 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 15, 2011 at 9:25 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by TheDarkestOfAngels - January 16, 2011 at 1:37 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by OnlyNatural - January 16, 2011 at 2:31 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 16, 2011 at 4:25 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by OnlyNatural - January 16, 2011 at 5:45 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Strappado - January 16, 2011 at 6:21 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Zen Badger - January 16, 2011 at 7:39 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 16, 2011 at 1:56 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Zen Badger - January 17, 2011 at 8:01 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by The Omnissiunt One - January 16, 2011 at 1:51 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 16, 2011 at 8:22 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by OnlyNatural - January 17, 2011 at 1:54 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 17, 2011 at 8:38 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by OnlyNatural - January 18, 2011 at 1:22 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Welsh cake - January 17, 2011 at 4:47 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Minimalist - January 17, 2011 at 5:57 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Dotard - January 17, 2011 at 9:32 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 17, 2011 at 10:32 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Zen Badger - January 18, 2011 at 5:35 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Dotard - January 18, 2011 at 11:56 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 18, 2011 at 10:17 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by OnlyNatural - January 18, 2011 at 10:52 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Jaysyn - January 18, 2011 at 11:13 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Welsh cake - January 18, 2011 at 4:52 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 18, 2011 at 6:46 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by OnlyNatural - January 18, 2011 at 11:33 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Jaysyn - January 19, 2011 at 9:35 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Dotard - January 19, 2011 at 10:52 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Rayaan - January 18, 2011 at 8:24 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by padraic - January 19, 2011 at 12:49 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 19, 2011 at 9:57 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Minimalist - January 19, 2011 at 12:46 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 19, 2011 at 12:53 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 19, 2011 at 2:03 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by downbeatplumb - January 19, 2011 at 2:07 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Dotard - January 19, 2011 at 2:52 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Autumnlicious - January 19, 2011 at 2:13 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by thesummerqueen - January 19, 2011 at 2:27 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Welsh cake - January 19, 2011 at 3:56 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 19, 2011 at 6:19 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Ace Otana - January 19, 2011 at 7:23 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by padraic - January 19, 2011 at 8:16 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Minimalist - January 19, 2011 at 9:11 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Dotard - January 20, 2011 at 8:24 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by thesummerqueen - January 19, 2011 at 10:51 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by KichigaiNeko - January 20, 2011 at 6:25 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 20, 2011 at 10:51 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by OnlyNatural - January 20, 2011 at 7:00 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 20, 2011 at 9:22 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Minimalist - January 20, 2011 at 9:22 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 20, 2011 at 9:25 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 20, 2011 at 10:58 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Dotard - January 20, 2011 at 11:22 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Minimalist - January 21, 2011 at 1:19 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Zen Badger - January 21, 2011 at 8:12 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by padraic - January 21, 2011 at 1:29 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 21, 2011 at 9:55 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by thesummerqueen - January 21, 2011 at 9:59 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 21, 2011 at 10:03 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by OnlyNatural - January 21, 2011 at 2:13 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by thesummerqueen - January 21, 2011 at 2:34 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Dotard - January 21, 2011 at 2:53 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Welsh cake - January 21, 2011 at 4:21 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by padraic - January 21, 2011 at 6:52 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by KichigaiNeko - January 22, 2011 at 4:59 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by thesummerqueen - January 22, 2011 at 5:01 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Anomalocaris - January 22, 2011 at 5:25 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by thesummerqueen - January 24, 2011 at 9:19 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by padraic - January 22, 2011 at 5:32 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Zen Badger - January 23, 2011 at 6:04 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by KichigaiNeko - January 23, 2011 at 6:48 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 23, 2011 at 12:28 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by OnlyNatural - January 23, 2011 at 1:55 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 23, 2011 at 2:47 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by OnlyNatural - January 24, 2011 at 12:29 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by KichigaiNeko - January 24, 2011 at 7:54 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 1:55 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by OnlyNatural - January 27, 2011 at 3:14 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Welsh cake - January 24, 2011 at 4:09 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by thesummerqueen - January 24, 2011 at 4:10 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Welsh cake - January 24, 2011 at 4:26 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Minimalist - January 27, 2011 at 3:23 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by DeistPaladin - January 27, 2011 at 3:32 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by thesummerqueen - January 27, 2011 at 3:37 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Minimalist - January 28, 2011 at 4:49 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by padraic - January 27, 2011 at 6:09 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 28, 2011 at 10:27 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by DeistPaladin - January 28, 2011 at 4:23 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by thesummerqueen - January 28, 2011 at 4:53 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Minimalist - January 28, 2011 at 4:55 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 28, 2011 at 9:28 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by KichigaiNeko - January 29, 2011 at 4:11 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Minimalist - January 28, 2011 at 9:45 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 29, 2011 at 11:34 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by KichigaiNeko - January 29, 2011 at 2:49 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by padraic - January 29, 2011 at 10:35 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by dqualk - January 30, 2011 at 12:01 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by KichigaiNeko - January 31, 2011 at 5:47 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Minimalist - January 30, 2011 at 1:08 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by LastPoet - January 30, 2011 at 1:09 pm
RE: My Escatological Vision - by KichigaiNeko - January 31, 2011 at 7:02 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Zen Badger - January 31, 2011 at 8:19 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by KichigaiNeko - January 31, 2011 at 8:25 am
RE: My Escatological Vision - by Rwandrall - February 5, 2011 at 1:16 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Vision from God JamesVisionof God 9 1330 April 22, 2023 at 5:48 pm
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)