(December 23, 2015 at 4:35 pm)RobbyPants Wrote:Both. I'm not responsible for the choices I don't or can't make, I am responsible for the choices I do make. What I'm trying to show here is that to blame God for the immoral things I do is a conflation of the issues. The two questions facing us are: Am I responsible for my choices? Is God responsible for not enlarging my set of choices? To conclude that I am not responsible for my choices because God does not enlarge my set of choices is a conflation.(December 23, 2015 at 4:06 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: Given the above premises I would assert that we're not responsible for not doing the good we can't do, we are responsible for doing the bad that we can do.
What do you mean by the good we "can't do"? Stuff that's just beyond our abilities, or stuff where God isn't "allowing" it?
Free will is a person's ability to make choices consistent with his/her nature. The Bible teaches that we are born with a sinful nature (imputed to us from Adam). If I have a sinful nature then all my [moral] choices will result in immorality. (I can only make choices consistent with a sinful nature, i.e. sinful ones). So while I have many different choices that I can use my free will to choose, all of those choices will result in immorality. Therefore, I use my freewill to make immoral choices. So if I use my free will to make immoral choices then I alone am morally responsible for those choices.
The second question is related to your question:
(December 23, 2015 at 4:35 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: If it's the latter, wouldn't it be God's fault that more good isn't being done?Here's where I'll probably get into trouble by offending the majority of readers (Christians included). I hope each readers emotions do not over ride the explanation.
The answer to that question is found in Romans 9
You'll notice that in light of verses 10-13 the same question you have asked is asked in verse 14. Is there injustice with God? Isn't God to blame then? Reading verses 15-18 should lead a person to ask the question in verse 19, "How can He blame us, for who can resist His will?
The answer is found in verses 20-24.
Two things to take away from this. First, these are questions of authority. Who get's the right to decide how something is used? The maker or the made? Secondly, it appears God's reason for functioning this way is to demonstrate His wrath, make His power known, and to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy. The reason passages like this are so offensive is because we live in a very 'me centered' world. We think it's all about us. The truth is, it is all about God and making Himself known.
(December 23, 2015 at 4:35 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: What is the difference between not doing a good and actively doing bad? In some cases I think it might be obvious. Stealing from someone is bad, giving to someone is good (generally speaking), and doing neither seems somewhat neutral.
When it comes to the law, there is either guilt or innocence, there is no "neutral" ground. Each moral choice you make is either right or wrong.
(December 23, 2015 at 4:35 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: But I don't think everything works quite that way. Obviously, killing someone is bad.Is it? What if that person was going to kill one million people? Would it be right in that case?
(December 23, 2015 at 4:35 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: I'd say that saving someone from dying at no (serious) cost to yourself is good. But, what about not saving someone, if there's no serious cost to you? That doesn't strike me as "neutral".The reason these questions are difficult to answer is because we lack the understanding to answer them in truth. We're left with a "subjective best guess." I often struggle with hypothetical choices. If someone were attacking me do I fight back? What if a family member is being attacked? What if it is a stranger? Do I have a moral obligation in each of these cases to engage in violence? When is violence justified? When is killing justified? And it gets more complicated in that not everyone agrees. Some people think violence is never justified. Should I be forced to adhere to their standard? Should they to mine?
(December 23, 2015 at 4:35 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: The closest thing I could see to that would be to declare that saving people at no real cost is neutral (and failing to is bad), but saving someone at a considerable cost to yourself is good (and failing to is neutral).If you believe this, then certainly you understand the magnitude of Christ's sacrifice on the cross. "6For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die. 8But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. 10For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation (Romans 6:6-11)."
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?