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Hell
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RE: Hell
(February 8, 2011 at 8:50 am)Matthew Wrote: I take the existence of God to be what's known as a basic belief which supports all other beliefs, and that without that basic belief we are unable to rationally believe anything. I thus reason from God's existence, not to it. [This means that I take a particular epistemological view called foundationalism, which says that a belief is rational if it is basic or it is ultimately supported by at least one basic belief.]

This attitude is very difficult for me to understand, and part of the reason I started the thread that OnlyNatural linked to. I also want to avoid having this thread drift into a rehashing of that one. I would like to ask a bit more broadly on how it is you conclude that your belief in your idea of a god is a foundation for anything else, be it logic, morality, meaning, human rights, or whatever.

For me, God is a sentiment that grows out of a sense of awe over what I perceive as a grand machine that I'm part of. It's the cherry on the sundae, the star on top the Christmas tree, or whatever decorative pinnacle analogy you like. Hence, I can come to the same conclusions about morality, reason, human rights, democracy, etc that an atheist might (including the aforementioned sense of awe of the natural universe) and my "worldview" would not be greatly shaken were I to ever be convinced that God isn't real.
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Hell - by Ervin - February 3, 2011 at 8:54 pm
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 4, 2011 at 3:53 am
RE: Hell - by padraic - February 4, 2011 at 4:34 am
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 4, 2011 at 4:51 am
RE: Hell - by Ervin - February 4, 2011 at 5:59 am
RE: Hell - by Captain Scarlet - February 4, 2011 at 6:56 am
RE: Hell - by annatar - February 4, 2011 at 6:56 am
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 4, 2011 at 7:51 am
RE: Hell - by Zen Badger - February 4, 2011 at 8:42 am
RE: Hell - by Ervin - February 4, 2011 at 7:33 am
RE: Hell - by Jaysyn - February 4, 2011 at 2:40 pm
RE: Hell - by muhtesem insan - February 4, 2011 at 7:41 am
RE: Hell - by muhtesem insan - February 4, 2011 at 8:08 am
RE: Hell - by annatar - February 4, 2011 at 8:13 am
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 4, 2011 at 10:33 am
RE: Hell - by DeistPaladin - February 4, 2011 at 2:05 pm
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 4, 2011 at 9:01 pm
RE: Hell - by OnlyNatural - February 5, 2011 at 4:36 pm
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 5, 2011 at 6:22 pm
RE: Hell - by OnlyNatural - February 5, 2011 at 11:07 pm
RE: Hell - by Ervin - February 4, 2011 at 11:05 am
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 4, 2011 at 11:08 am
RE: Hell - by Ervin - February 4, 2011 at 2:42 pm
RE: Hell - by DeistPaladin - February 4, 2011 at 7:02 pm
RE: Hell - by annatar - February 4, 2011 at 7:26 pm
RE: Hell - by Minimalist - February 4, 2011 at 7:43 pm
RE: Hell - by Welsh cake - February 5, 2011 at 8:51 am
RE: Hell - by annatar - February 5, 2011 at 4:55 pm
RE: Hell - by Ervin - February 5, 2011 at 6:13 pm
RE: Hell - by annatar - February 5, 2011 at 9:32 pm
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 6, 2011 at 6:29 pm
RE: Hell - by annatar - February 6, 2011 at 8:57 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - February 6, 2011 at 7:03 am
RE: Hell - by Ervin - February 6, 2011 at 7:52 am
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - February 6, 2011 at 9:23 am
RE: Hell - by OnlyNatural - February 6, 2011 at 12:44 pm
RE: Hell - by Ervin - February 6, 2011 at 12:42 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - February 6, 2011 at 12:56 pm
RE: Hell - by Ervin - February 6, 2011 at 3:52 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - February 6, 2011 at 4:02 pm
RE: Hell - by Ervin - February 6, 2011 at 4:47 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - February 7, 2011 at 1:46 pm
RE: Hell - by OnlyNatural - February 6, 2011 at 7:59 pm
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 6, 2011 at 8:23 pm
RE: Hell - by Captain Scarlet - February 7, 2011 at 9:05 am
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 7, 2011 at 11:25 am
RE: Hell - by Captain Scarlet - February 7, 2011 at 11:53 pm
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 8, 2011 at 6:18 am
RE: Hell - by bjhulk - February 8, 2011 at 6:54 am
RE: Hell - by Captain Scarlet - February 9, 2011 at 11:59 pm
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 11, 2011 at 11:08 am
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - February 11, 2011 at 12:34 pm
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 11, 2011 at 2:30 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - February 11, 2011 at 3:03 pm
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 11, 2011 at 3:39 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - February 11, 2011 at 3:52 pm
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 11, 2011 at 7:35 pm
RE: Hell - by Faith No More - February 11, 2011 at 9:47 pm
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 12, 2011 at 5:43 am
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - February 12, 2011 at 8:16 am
RE: Hell - by OnlyNatural - February 12, 2011 at 10:43 pm
RE: Hell - by KichigaiNeko - February 13, 2011 at 4:41 am
RE: Hell - by OnlyNatural - February 13, 2011 at 12:47 pm
RE: Hell - by KichigaiNeko - February 13, 2011 at 10:38 pm
RE: Hell - by Faith No More - February 11, 2011 at 4:38 pm
RE: Hell - by OnlyNatural - February 11, 2011 at 7:26 pm
RE: Hell - by OnlyNatural - February 7, 2011 at 11:42 am
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 7, 2011 at 4:17 pm
RE: Hell - by Minimalist - February 7, 2011 at 11:57 am
RE: Hell - by Faith No More - February 7, 2011 at 2:27 pm
RE: Hell - by Ervin - February 7, 2011 at 5:42 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - February 8, 2011 at 3:24 pm
RE: Hell - by OnlyNatural - February 7, 2011 at 5:49 pm
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 7, 2011 at 8:23 pm
RE: Hell - by OnlyNatural - February 8, 2011 at 12:40 am
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 8, 2011 at 8:50 am
RE: Hell - by DeistPaladin - February 8, 2011 at 10:29 am
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 9, 2011 at 7:31 pm
RE: Hell - by OnlyNatural - February 10, 2011 at 12:36 am
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2011 at 6:40 am
RE: Hell - by Faith No More - February 10, 2011 at 1:01 pm
RE: Hell - by OnlyNatural - February 9, 2011 at 12:00 am
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - February 9, 2011 at 1:50 pm
RE: Hell - by bjhulk - February 7, 2011 at 8:32 pm
RE: Hell - by Ervin - February 8, 2011 at 8:05 pm
RE: Hell - by Ervin - February 9, 2011 at 7:25 am
RE: Hell - by Godschild - February 10, 2011 at 12:56 am
RE: Hell - by padraic - February 10, 2011 at 5:48 am
RE: Hell - by downbeatplumb - February 12, 2011 at 6:05 am
RE: Hell - by Matthew - February 13, 2011 at 3:15 pm
RE: Hell - by Captain Scarlet - February 13, 2011 at 11:57 pm
RE: Hell - by theVOID - February 14, 2011 at 12:09 am
RE: Hell - by Captain Scarlet - February 12, 2011 at 6:07 am
RE: Hell - by Welsh cake - February 12, 2011 at 11:24 am
RE: Hell - by padraic - February 14, 2011 at 12:37 am

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