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Yup. This is For Certain.
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RE: Yup. This is For Certain.
(January 11, 2016 at 4:21 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(January 10, 2016 at 10:05 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I think George Washington would probably be more tactical than that.  They are occupying a building in the middle of nowhere and not a direct threat to anyone who doesn't disturb them.  Yes they have occupied a federal building, but it's a wildlife reserve, strategically I doubt it's of much importance.

I personally think that's the bottom line.  The main reason they the government isn't reacting with direct isn't because these people are white or because they're not Muslim, but because they have calculated that it isn't necessary yet.

I just hope for the best result depending on what the truth is about the circumstances are now, which I don't know yet.

If these Bundy people are destroying wildlife to a very significant degree and the government is just trying to be reasonable with them then I hope the Bundy ranchers are dealt with and if they are stubbornly resisting reasonable laws then eventually it might result in them being shot.  From what I've read this might be likely.

If the government is taxing, fining and putting unreasonable pressure on the ranchers then obviously I'd be happy if the ranchers got away with all this and the government backs down and gives them a little more freedom.

I don't see why people get emotional and overlook little nuances in arguments and say seemingly illogical things in arguments like this.
Like you used your time travel device, mind reading device and determined you know what George Washington would do in this exact situation, you then used your religion and race changing device and turned the ranchers into black Muslims so you know for a fact that if black Muslims occupied a building in the middle of no where they would have been shot to death by now.
Given the fact that George Washington dealt with insurrections with federal force chances are he would do the same with this group of malcontents.  And don't forget Lincoln.  As soon as they fire a shot the war is on.  Hoover used McArthur against WWI vets in Washington D.C.  And Eisenhower sent troops against rednecks.

All of these presidents did this in a different age.  The point is what would they do now.  This isn't in Washington DC, it's not Eisenhower vs the state of Arkansas national guard, they're a relatively small group of people in a small hut in the middle of nowhere.
Also this isn't the 1700s when George Washington was around, or the 1800s when Lincoln was around, Presidents have to be more media savvy these days, more careful how they act diplomatically, as rhythm says they have publicity now, I'm over here in England typing to you about it and were all on this forum typing all over the world about it.
I agree with the point you make about as soon as they fire a shot the war is on.


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Yup. This is For Certain. - by Minimalist - January 4, 2016 at 6:51 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Silver - January 4, 2016 at 6:54 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Whateverist - January 7, 2016 at 10:33 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by CapnAwesome - January 4, 2016 at 7:01 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Thumpalumpacus - January 4, 2016 at 8:20 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by CapnAwesome - January 5, 2016 at 1:20 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Thumpalumpacus - January 5, 2016 at 2:24 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by CapnAwesome - January 5, 2016 at 6:06 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Thumpalumpacus - January 6, 2016 at 2:28 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by CapnAwesome - January 6, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by downbeatplumb - January 7, 2016 at 12:41 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by CapnAwesome - January 7, 2016 at 9:34 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Excited Penguin - January 8, 2016 at 12:34 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by account_inactive - January 8, 2016 at 12:36 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Faith No More - January 7, 2016 at 1:08 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by CapnAwesome - January 7, 2016 at 9:33 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Excited Penguin - January 8, 2016 at 12:35 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by TheRocketSurgeon - January 7, 2016 at 11:30 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by CapnAwesome - January 7, 2016 at 11:57 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Thumpalumpacus - January 8, 2016 at 2:22 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Excited Penguin - January 8, 2016 at 12:32 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 6, 2016 at 5:29 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Thumpalumpacus - January 6, 2016 at 5:56 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Jenny A - January 5, 2016 at 1:52 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by CapnAwesome - January 5, 2016 at 3:05 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Minimalist - January 4, 2016 at 8:14 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by paulpablo - January 4, 2016 at 9:38 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Minimalist - January 5, 2016 at 1:49 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by CapnAwesome - January 5, 2016 at 1:37 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Minimalist - January 5, 2016 at 1:55 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Minimalist - January 5, 2016 at 12:49 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by The Valkyrie - January 5, 2016 at 6:14 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by paulpablo - January 5, 2016 at 7:52 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Excited Penguin - January 8, 2016 at 12:18 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Minimalist - January 5, 2016 at 9:27 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Thumpalumpacus - January 5, 2016 at 10:05 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Minimalist - January 6, 2016 at 3:00 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Minimalist - January 6, 2016 at 3:16 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Minimalist - January 7, 2016 at 1:12 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Minimalist - January 7, 2016 at 10:27 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by CapnAwesome - January 7, 2016 at 11:58 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by account_inactive - January 8, 2016 at 12:00 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by CapnAwesome - January 8, 2016 at 12:04 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Minimalist - January 7, 2016 at 10:28 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by paulpablo - January 7, 2016 at 10:41 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by account_inactive - January 7, 2016 at 11:32 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by CapnAwesome - January 8, 2016 at 12:02 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by account_inactive - January 8, 2016 at 12:04 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by CapnAwesome - January 8, 2016 at 12:07 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Minimalist - January 8, 2016 at 12:00 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by TheRocketSurgeon - January 8, 2016 at 12:07 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by account_inactive - January 8, 2016 at 12:08 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Minimalist - January 8, 2016 at 12:13 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by account_inactive - January 8, 2016 at 12:20 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by TheRocketSurgeon - January 8, 2016 at 12:25 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by account_inactive - January 8, 2016 at 12:27 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by TheRocketSurgeon - January 8, 2016 at 12:36 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by account_inactive - January 8, 2016 at 12:38 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by TheRocketSurgeon - January 8, 2016 at 12:45 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by CapnAwesome - January 8, 2016 at 12:47 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Excited Penguin - January 8, 2016 at 12:56 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by CapnAwesome - January 8, 2016 at 1:00 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by downbeatplumb - January 8, 2016 at 11:45 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Minimalist - January 8, 2016 at 2:25 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Excited Penguin - January 8, 2016 at 12:54 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by account_inactive - January 8, 2016 at 12:59 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Excited Penguin - January 8, 2016 at 1:01 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by account_inactive - January 8, 2016 at 1:03 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Excited Penguin - January 8, 2016 at 1:05 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by account_inactive - January 8, 2016 at 1:07 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Excited Penguin - January 8, 2016 at 1:22 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by TheRocketSurgeon - January 8, 2016 at 1:04 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Minimalist - January 9, 2016 at 7:45 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by account_inactive - January 9, 2016 at 8:24 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by CapnAwesome - January 10, 2016 at 4:29 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 10, 2016 at 9:20 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by paulpablo - January 10, 2016 at 10:05 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 11, 2016 at 4:21 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by paulpablo - January 11, 2016 at 1:16 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 12, 2016 at 5:41 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Thumpalumpacus - January 28, 2016 at 8:48 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by CapnAwesome - January 28, 2016 at 1:13 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by downbeatplumb - January 28, 2016 at 1:46 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by paulpablo - January 28, 2016 at 3:02 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Thumpalumpacus - January 28, 2016 at 2:40 pm
Yup. This is For Certain. - by KUSA - January 10, 2016 at 9:26 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Minimalist - January 10, 2016 at 10:05 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by account_inactive - January 10, 2016 at 10:28 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by The Grand Nudger - January 11, 2016 at 12:12 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by The Grand Nudger - January 11, 2016 at 12:50 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by The Grand Nudger - January 12, 2016 at 7:24 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by account_inactive - January 12, 2016 at 7:30 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Minimalist - January 13, 2016 at 11:23 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by account_inactive - January 14, 2016 at 1:03 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by The Grand Nudger - January 28, 2016 at 11:06 am
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Minimalist - January 28, 2016 at 12:46 pm
Yup. This is For Certain. - by KUSA - January 28, 2016 at 1:22 pm
RE: Yup. This is For Certain. - by Minimalist - January 28, 2016 at 3:18 pm

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