(January 15, 2016 at 1:27 pm)dyresand Wrote:References that the Bible supports a human woman aborting her unborn child.(January 15, 2016 at 1:21 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: I do not kill the child. Even some of your own philosophers recognize that there is a distinction between the actual effects of actions and our expectations of them [actual vs. foreseeable consequence utilitarianism].
Congrats you are a immoral hypocrite since you know the bible isn't pro life
(January 15, 2016 at 1:27 pm)dyresand Wrote: but your actions just caused a mass genocide of people. That is like saying there is a guy with a remote to a bomb thatDo you recognize that there is a distinction between the actual effects of actions and our expectations of them [actual vs. foreseeable consequence utilitarianism]?
is going to kill a bunch of people. You have a gun do you or do you not kill the guy? and either case it's pretty much the same.
(January 15, 2016 at 1:50 pm)RobbyPants Wrote:No, I'm showing that God has a purpose for sin. God has used the existence of sin to show His mercy and His justice and there is no clearer picture of that than at the cross where His wrath was poured out onto the Son and the righteousness of the Son was poured out onto believers. This is the power of the death of Christ and the means of salvation to all who believe.(January 15, 2016 at 1:21 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: I'm not sure what you mean 'need' but certainly it has been shown that sin is not without purpose. If sin did not exist in the world then we would not know God's justice nor His mercy.(January 9, 2016 at 5:17 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: It would be irresponsible for sin to not be punished and I agree it would be unjust for God to do so. That is why "He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him." This is the great exchange and we see both God's wrath (punishment of sin) and His mercy in the same event without violating His holiness.
That's circular. You've justified sin with God's mercy and justice, and now you're justifying his mercy and justice with sin.
(January 15, 2016 at 1:50 pm)RobbyPants Wrote:Sure, I get that you don't believe, but this is the logic you used to argue that it is merciful to abort a child within the context of the Christian worldview. Are you withdrawing that argument?(January 15, 2016 at 1:21 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: No, I'm saying the person aborting [the means] the child is responsible for ending the child's life [in the same way that a person shooting another person [the means] it responsible for his/her] death.
If we follow your thinking consistently, then you would be justified in murdering any Christian you wanted to. After all you're simply sending them to heaven. Do you agree with that statement?
I agree that it is consistent and would be the logical conclusion of someone who believed in these things. I don't believe that people are actually immortal, and I don't think I would be justified in killing people, regardless of whether or not they believed they were going to heaven.
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?