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Franics Collins
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(January 17, 2016 at 1:06 pm)athrock Wrote: One more point - and this is one that you atheists CONSTANTLY fail to acknowledge: God is not going to send people to hell just because they have not heard the gospel. It just doesn't work that way. If your Baptist upbringing led you to believe otherwise, then blame John Calvin.

You might benefit from reading some basic Catholic theology.


Quote:Unbelief may be taken in two ways: first, by way of pure negation, so that a man be called an unbeliever, merely because he has not the faith. Secondly, unbelief may be taken by way of opposition to the faith; in which sense a man refuses to hear the faith, or despises it, according to Isaiah 53:1: "Who hath believed our report?" It is this that completes the notion of unbelief, and it is in this sense that unbelief is a sin.

If, however, we take it by way of pure negation, as we find it in those who have heard nothing about the faith, it bears the character, not of sin, but of punishment, because such like ignorance of Divine things is a result of the sin of our first parent. If such like unbelievers are damned, it is on account of other sins, which cannot be taken away without faith, but not on account of their sin of unbelief. Hence Our Lord said (John 15:22) "If I had not come, and spoken to them, they would not have sin"; which Augustine expounds (Tract. lxxxix in Joan.) as "referring to the sin whereby they believed not in Christ." (Summa Theologica, II II, 10, 1)

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3010.htm
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Franics Collins - by Jehanne - January 9, 2016 at 8:11 am
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