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Pride leads to privilege, prejudice, and entitlement, none of which are positive.

Humility allows for learning and sincerity, both of which are needed for learning and peaceful advancement of civilization.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

More hamfisted thinking. 

It's always got to be black or white, doesn't it?

Pride = BAD

Humility = GOOD.

again, I call bullshit.

I already said that there is legitimate Pride, and toxic Pride,
but I guess I'll spell it out:

Legitimate Pride:

Holding your head up, having self-respect, being proud of your kids,
your accomplishments, your country, your heritage.

Toxic Pride:

Being too proud to ask-for, or to accept help, when you need it,
and suffering as a result,
and perhaps making those you love, suffer with you;
or, being too proud to admit your mistakes or apologize.

Well, the same applies to Humility:

Toxic Humility:

(As with 'modesty') anytime Humility gets confused with SHAME, it becomes toxic.
When Humility becomes Humiliation.  When it becomes Fear or Self-Doubt.

"Healthy" Humility:

The opposite of Egotism, Entitlement, and Elitism.
Being able to laugh at yourself.
Taking accountability for your mistakes.
Getting your hands dirty to help someone else.
Knowing that you will have to work hard for what it is you want, in life.

You know, this reminds me of a comment I once made on the "Seven Deadly Sins" in the Catholic Church.

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In no particular order:

Greed
Gluttony
Slothfulness
Lust
Pride
Envy
Wrath

Four things I would point out about the flaws of this list:


1.  In many cases, these "sins" are not sins at all.

Rather, they are symptoms of something deeper that is wrong with the person.

For example, when someone "commits the sin" of "Gluttony", like a 600 lb man who eats 12 cheeseburgers a day,
it is usually motivated by deeper cause,
like a fear or loneliness or inadequacy.
The "gluttony" didn't just occur in a vacuum.  It is a symptom.
And it shouldn't be shamed or punished.
It should be addressed and treated.

Same applies to Slothfulness:  An extremely slothful person might be depressed, or driven by a fear of something.

You get the idea.


2.  It is mostly filled with redundancies.

These "sins" are not even reduced to their lowest common denominators.
Greed, Gluttony, Sloth, Pride...usually have a deeper root cause.

Most human behaviors are ultimately driven by either LUST or FEAR.

LUST:  The appetites that drives us forward...not just lust for sex, but lust for life, for food, for prosperity, for fun.

FEAR:  That which acts as a check for Lust....Fear pulls us back, keeps us safe, makes us think twice.

Which brings me to #3...


3.  FEAR is not on the list, and it should be (IF you are a God-fearing individual):

Why isn't FEAR on the list of Deadly Sins?

In the Bible, nothing is underscored more than the importance of FAITH.

Yet, if you truly have Faith in God...then you have nothing to FEAR.

FEAR indicates lack of FAITH.

So why didn't it make the list of Deadly Sins?

It should be #1 on the list.

(Of course, we know perfectly well why...it's because the Church uses FEAR, themselves,
to control the flock.  Fear of hell.  Fear of shaming.  Fear of being ostracized.

For the Church to fail to put FEAR on the list of Deadly Sins
is hypocritical, transparently corrupt and self-serving of the Church...IMO).


4.  By having a list of fundamental "sins"
...that are actually just human nature...
the Church misleads people:

Having eliminated most of that list as redundancies,
(and having added FEAR to a list that is missing it)

I am left with only two "sins":

LUST and FEAR.

And, IMO, these are NOT "sins", in and of themselves, AT ALL.

Rather, I see them as gifts.  They are part of the balance of nature, as I already described:

LUST is the array of appetites that drives us forward.

FEAR is the brakes on the car, as it were.  Chastises us, keeps us prudent.


So,


I posit that instead of regarding "LUST" as "BAD", full stop,

We begin to see that it is only when these two get OUT OF BALANCE that there is a problem;

when LUST is out of control, you are an addict or a compulsive, taking absurd degrees of risk;

When FEAR is out of control, you are a phobic, held back from living to some degree,
by your unhealthy degree of fear.

And, most ironically,

it is ONLY THEN that the other "sins" on the list make an appearance:

Greed, Gluttony, Slothfulness, etc etc.

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My point:

In Christianity (and most religious dogma),

many human characteristics are wrongly designated as "sinful",
and being simply "bad" or "good".

Rather, we should see that EACH of those characteristics has the POTENTIAL to be either bad, or good.

I like the distinctions you make, and we're almost on the same page.

Pride towards self is can always lead to bias and negativity.

Pride in things one helps to make or achieve are not as destructive, but still have negative potential.

One can be proud of their child to the point of defending or hiding them from the consequences of their actions, effectively stopping anything good from being learned from the mistake the child made.

Hold your head level isn't the same as looking down at others. Self respect isn't synonymous with pride.

Humility and fear aren't synonymous either. One can be respectful and still stand up for what they think is right.

If one is humble and the other is greedy, who is negative?

Being proud, haughty, demanding, and condescending are of pride.

Can you learn from someone like that? I have trouble with it for sure.

It doesn't have to black and white. Words and the meanings of them generally aren't. You just explain it differently.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.