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And for the record, "feminist" is a term that I am reluctant to apply to myself.

You speak not much different from a feminist tbh. Not sure why the feeling of shame of being associated with feminism. Even a lot of the radical ones aren't that bad when one sees what they actually believe in.

I'd like to agree with you.  I'd like for Feminism to be what it started-out as being.

But I've encountered enough Feminism, directly, myself, that left me disinclined to align myself with them,
although it saddened me to have to make that decision.

It's a shame it was corrupted, because it was a worthy cause, once.

ARe you familiar with the Men's Rights Movement? (MRM);
also referred-to as the Anti-Misandry Movement?

They basically oppose RadFems and support men whom they maintain are wrongly-accused of being abusers, rapists, or deadbeat dads.

So here's where I stand:

Had I lived in Victorian Times, I would have joined Mrs. Pankhurst, and been a Suffragette.
Because back then, the cause was clear-cut, and there was REAL need.

Same applies to the Civil Rights Movement.

Same applies to LGBT...it's the newest, and I've supported it as vocally and substantially as I am able.

But to my mind, by now, we should have the gist of it:

Question your privilege,
and equality for all.

If someone's not hurting anyone,
there's no reason to oppose their lifestyle.

But every minority-rights cause has its radicals.

And by "radicals" I don't necessarily just refer to those willing to take up arms
or go to drastic lengths for their cause,

....so much as people who swing too far the other way and start reverse discrimination.


When it comes to Feminism....and it's counterpart, the MRM,
there are good AND bad, in BOTH groups:



On the Feminist side,

1. There are decent women who simply support equality,
and know that realistically, we're not quite there yet,
and education still needs to be done
....but these women certainly do NOT hate men,
and these women DISLIKE when RadFems DO engage in male-bashing, crying wolf about rape or abuse, etc.,
primarily because these women don't hate men and don't want to see them wrongly accused,
and secondly because they realize that this undermines the credibility of Feminism.

2. Then there are some women who distrust men, or are contemptuous of men,
think men are idiots and apes....these are basically female chauvinists;

3. And then there are women who HATE men, who ABUSE men,
or cry wolf that they've been abused....these are the Misandrysts.

4.  And of course there are men who agree feminism is a good cause, at its core, and support that
(this group corresponds to the MRM Group 1)

5.  There are men who are militant feminists,
even to the extent of lecturing moderate female feminists that their feminism isn't militant enough



On the MRM side:

1. There are decent men, who simply don't want to be abused, or wrongly-accused by women,
but who don't hate women, and don't think all feminists are bad,
and DISLIKE any Male Chauvinism or Misogyny.

2. Then there are the chauvinists, who think a woman's place is at home in the kitchen, and having babies,
and believe men are superior to women, who are contemptuous of the feminist movement
and believe all feminists are lesbians or just sour grapes.

3. And then there are the Misogynists...men who HATE women, who might even ABUSE women.

4. Then there are women who agree with the ostensible purpose of the MRM,
that men should not be bashed, abused, or wrongly-accused
(This group corresponds to the Feminist Group 1)

5.  And then there are women who agree with men that women belong at home raising the kids.




I fall into the red group.

The men I agree with fall into the blue group.


Any Feminists or MRMers in the black, I want no part of.