Seeing red

[bennyboy]

Materialism is sufficient for some things, some other "x" is required for others?  So, dualism or special pleading?

An "-ism" is a collection of ideas or beliefs. This is exactly what materialism is: a class collection of ideas. And in the context of building a bridge, then your ideas and beliefs will be sufficient for me to have the experience of successsfully building a bridge.

I know you keep saying it.  If ideas work, in the case of the "idea of a car" just like materialism works (gears and pistons)..or as if materialism is true...and materialism is insufficient..then so is idealism.  Idealism can't explain the car any better than materialism, which it "subsumed".  Apparently it -can- explain psychogony, though......in some mysterious way you've never even attempted to mention in all of the times we've had this conversation.

No, it can't explain psychogony, and must take mind as brute fact, as materialism must take the framework which allows the existence of stuff. The difference is that no sensible view of material is compatible with mind, as mind is not normally thought to be a material "thing," while the -ism to which you subscibe is ALREADY a set of ideas, and could not be thought to be otherwise.

This is the point you're not getting: Idealism is the simpler position, and materialism posits the extra underlying "reality"-- itself an idea.