Seeing red

[bennyboy]

And in your totally material world view, material means math functions.

We use math to describe material interactions.  It's a useful and precise language...it helps us avoid common pitfalls of natural language, such as equivocation or interpretation.

That's not what Jörmungandr said:

Materialism is a reduction of all phenomenon to a small set of mathematical principles, with some metaphysics thrown in for good measure.

Maybe this was just an imprecise description, because it's not that different than my past descriptions of Idealism: that the most essential components of reality are reducible only to ideas-- like math functions. Not that they are DESCRIBED by them, but that they ARE them. I believe that under the hood, you won't find anything BUT math and other abstracts. Do you believe that the math, at the most essential level of reality, is still descriptive of things?