RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
January 20, 2016 at 5:27 am
(This post was last modified: January 20, 2016 at 5:43 am by Sheed1980.)
(January 19, 2016 at 10:03 am)Mancunian Wrote:Well the reason its my job as a Muslim to speak the truth about my religion is so people all over the world who follow the false stereotypical views of Islam the media and terrorists spread about our religion, can know the truth. And the rewards or pay as u put it is the absolute best we can receive from our creator, the gift of Paradise where we shall have anything we desire for all eternity. But as I said I am just telling you my belief in Islam. I am not trying to change u or anyone else. I all say to u is To u be ur way of belief and to me be mine. Good luck my friend(January 19, 2016 at 9:27 am)Mancunian Wrote: Why is it your job to tell me what you believe? (a) I am not interested and (b) how's the pay?
And if you could come to me with some actual evidence to back up your claims instead of some nonsense books, I might give you the time of day.
The only thing the quran proves exists is the quran.
(January 19, 2016 at 10:23 am)Brian37 Wrote:U have to follow ur heart to what u believe is right my friend. To u be ur way of belief and to me be mine(January 19, 2016 at 5:06 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: Well of course Allah knows what we will do, and of course we sin. But Allah tells us that He forgives again and again. So when we sin we repent to Allah and this shows that we fear our Lord because we know He punishes, but also shows that we know we have a Lord that is Most Merciful and forgives sins. I'm not sure if you know the Islamic version of the Adam and Eve story. But til this day, because of his pride and arrogance, Satan has not repented to Allah and sought His forgiveness for disobeying Him. So if we don't seek Allah's forgiveness when we do wrong we can't just expect Him to forgive us. We have to want it for ourselves
See if you can spot the pattern.
"Well of course Jesus knows what we will do, and of course we sin"
"Well of course Yahweh knows what we will do, and of course we sin"
"Well of course Karma happens because we did something wrong in a prior life"
See the problem? Every religion makes up superstitious reasons as to why people do bad things.
I would suggest to you to consider there is no magic to life, nor is there a magic man in the sky pulling our strings. I would ask you to consider that WE are the ones doing it and that our behaviors, both good and bad are part of our evolution, not old myths.
The problem with "sin" while people promote it as a warning not to do bad things, which sounds nice on paper, in reality it is a very horrible concept. The books of Abraham assume your guilt at birth, even before you have made any mistakes. That basically teaches you to loath yourself as a default position even before you have made any mistakes.
Now, the real reason we try to avoid hurting others is evolutionary, not magical. We evolved with empathy so we can say without superstitious answers, "I feel bad when others do this to me, so I will avoid doing it to others". It allows us not only to avoid harm to ourselves, but allows us to seek cooperation with others.
I know you like the idea of a god existing, so do Christians and Jews, but those ancient religions do not reflect our modern understanding of our biological reality.