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Epicurus riddle.
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RE: Epicurus riddle.
(April 11, 2010 at 11:44 am)Archbow Wrote: “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”

Opinions on this riddle?

As pointed out this is known as the epicurean paradox. This so call paradox was written 341 years before Christ was born. which means this paradox was not written by epicrus, was not written in effect to the God of Christianity or the Jews, and or does not describe a paradox found in either of those two religions. Therefore if it was written by Epicrus it was directed at his personal understanding of how his greek gods worked.

Ok, that said why can these values be carried over to Christianity or Judaism you ask?

The paradox presupposes that God is Omnipotent, omniscience, and Omnibenevolent. The problem with that? These are not All biblical attributes of God. The key to the Paradox is Omni benevolence, because it is this all consuming love that would demand that sin be removed from the presence of a 'loved one.' Which is the one Omni-aspect of God listed here Not found in the bible. God does not love everyone. That is a religious teaching (man's description/belief about God) Not a attribute God labels himself with in the bible. In fact the opposite is true. Their are those in whom God is reported to hate in scripture. Not to mention the 'conditions' of God's love found hiding in verses like John 3:16. That said for those in whom God does love his love is without bounds.

Without this idea of Omni benevolence the paradox is broken concerning the God of the bible. So then the question becomes why call Him God? Simple answer: The word God describes a being who is in total authority and control of all of what he has created (everything) not a being who must yield to a broken philosophers limited ability to reason.
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Epicurus riddle. - by Archbow - April 11, 2010 at 11:44 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Paul the Human - April 11, 2010 at 12:03 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by roscogre - July 19, 2014 at 10:12 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by chatpilot - April 11, 2010 at 12:58 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Welsh cake - April 11, 2010 at 1:18 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 11, 2010 at 7:02 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by The Piper - April 11, 2010 at 10:15 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Eilonnwy - April 11, 2010 at 11:17 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by The Piper - April 12, 2010 at 12:14 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by tavarish - April 12, 2010 at 12:21 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 6:22 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ace Otana - April 12, 2010 at 6:41 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Eilonnwy - April 12, 2010 at 8:57 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by GalaxyCat - February 25, 2013 at 3:31 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Infanta - January 20, 2016 at 11:17 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 21, 2016 at 12:21 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by chatpilot - April 11, 2010 at 11:14 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by chatpilot - April 11, 2010 at 11:57 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by The Piper - April 12, 2010 at 12:38 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by tavarish - April 12, 2010 at 2:05 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by The Piper - April 12, 2010 at 2:09 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by tavarish - April 12, 2010 at 2:20 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by The Piper - April 12, 2010 at 2:22 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - April 12, 2010 at 3:38 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by chatpilot - April 12, 2010 at 6:06 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by chatpilot - April 12, 2010 at 6:39 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by chatpilot - April 12, 2010 at 6:52 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ace Otana - April 12, 2010 at 7:04 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 7:05 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ace Otana - April 12, 2010 at 7:15 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 7:31 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ace Otana - April 12, 2010 at 10:14 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by chatpilot - April 12, 2010 at 11:17 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 12, 2010 at 8:48 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 8:52 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 12, 2010 at 8:58 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 9:14 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Eilonnwy - April 12, 2010 at 9:47 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 12, 2010 at 10:07 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 10:33 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Eilonnwy - April 12, 2010 at 11:31 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - April 12, 2010 at 9:00 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 12, 2010 at 9:04 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 12, 2010 at 9:19 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 9:29 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 12, 2010 at 9:36 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 12, 2010 at 11:43 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Edwardo Piet - April 13, 2010 at 10:28 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Kayenneh - February 25, 2013 at 3:56 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by KichigaiNeko - February 25, 2013 at 6:56 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by PyroManiac - February 25, 2013 at 12:11 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Dystopia - July 19, 2014 at 10:31 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 20, 2014 at 4:12 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Lemonvariable72 - July 20, 2014 at 5:32 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by jesus_wept - July 20, 2014 at 5:39 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by maccoon - January 14, 2016 at 3:54 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Lemonvariable72 - January 20, 2016 at 6:05 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Edwardo Piet - January 21, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ravenshire - February 2, 2016 at 1:40 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Joods - January 27, 2016 at 1:45 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Longhorn - January 14, 2016 at 4:01 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by TheRealJoeFish - January 14, 2016 at 4:36 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by brewer - January 14, 2016 at 4:39 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Tiberius - January 14, 2016 at 4:41 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by ignoramus - January 15, 2016 at 5:36 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 20, 2016 at 10:47 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Jenny A - January 20, 2016 at 7:42 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 21, 2016 at 12:19 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Jenny A - January 21, 2016 at 2:08 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 22, 2016 at 9:48 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Homeless Nutter - January 22, 2016 at 10:00 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 22, 2016 at 1:20 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by The Inquisition - January 22, 2016 at 10:03 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 22, 2016 at 1:15 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - January 29, 2016 at 12:45 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - January 29, 2016 at 1:16 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - January 29, 2016 at 1:23 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Homeless Nutter - January 29, 2016 at 6:07 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - January 29, 2016 at 2:26 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - January 29, 2016 at 4:32 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Homeless Nutter - January 29, 2016 at 11:31 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - January 30, 2016 at 12:00 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Jenny A - January 22, 2016 at 2:51 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 26, 2016 at 12:36 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Jenny A - January 28, 2016 at 9:37 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - January 20, 2016 at 2:15 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 21, 2016 at 12:09 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - January 20, 2016 at 2:34 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 21, 2016 at 12:13 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by robvalue - January 21, 2016 at 4:06 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 21, 2016 at 12:36 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - January 26, 2016 at 1:17 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 27, 2016 at 10:43 am
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by robvalue - January 26, 2016 at 1:47 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - January 27, 2016 at 7:22 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - January 27, 2016 at 12:14 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ivan Denisovich - January 28, 2016 at 4:20 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - January 29, 2016 at 1:18 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - January 29, 2016 at 1:49 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - January 29, 2016 at 5:57 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - January 29, 2016 at 2:18 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - January 29, 2016 at 4:24 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ravenshire - February 2, 2016 at 10:53 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - February 3, 2016 at 11:54 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ravenshire - February 4, 2016 at 9:42 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - February 6, 2016 at 3:17 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ravenshire - February 6, 2016 at 4:26 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by robvalue - January 28, 2016 at 7:24 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - January 28, 2016 at 8:44 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Catholic_Lady - January 28, 2016 at 7:44 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - January 28, 2016 at 8:59 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Homeless Nutter - January 29, 2016 at 6:19 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - January 28, 2016 at 1:00 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Edwardo Piet - January 29, 2016 at 2:23 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - January 29, 2016 at 2:31 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Edwardo Piet - January 29, 2016 at 2:59 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ravenshire - February 2, 2016 at 10:56 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - February 3, 2016 at 11:50 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Brian37 - February 4, 2016 at 6:07 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - February 6, 2016 at 3:11 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Nay_Sayer - February 6, 2016 at 3:15 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ravenshire - February 4, 2016 at 9:47 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - January 29, 2016 at 8:29 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - January 30, 2016 at 12:57 am
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 1, 2016 at 11:46 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - February 1, 2016 at 7:29 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 1, 2016 at 7:50 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - February 1, 2016 at 8:19 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - February 3, 2016 at 1:31 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Catholic_Lady - February 1, 2016 at 7:57 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 1, 2016 at 8:29 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 2, 2016 at 1:27 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - February 2, 2016 at 1:41 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ravenshire - February 2, 2016 at 11:04 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Catholic_Lady - February 1, 2016 at 8:31 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - February 1, 2016 at 8:38 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 2, 2016 at 1:44 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Cecelia - February 2, 2016 at 1:51 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by athrock - February 2, 2016 at 1:24 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by athrock - February 2, 2016 at 1:22 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - February 2, 2016 at 8:20 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - February 2, 2016 at 1:45 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by robvalue - February 3, 2016 at 5:25 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Brian37 - February 3, 2016 at 3:52 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 3, 2016 at 4:49 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Brian37 - February 3, 2016 at 5:18 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - February 3, 2016 at 6:57 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Brian37 - February 4, 2016 at 8:46 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Jenny A - February 3, 2016 at 7:59 pm
Epicurus riddle. - by LadyForCamus - February 3, 2016 at 5:59 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by robvalue - February 5, 2016 at 4:31 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Edwardo Piet - February 6, 2016 at 3:51 am
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Cecelia - February 8, 2016 at 2:05 am
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