(February 16, 2011 at 4:06 am)theVOID Wrote: I agree a great deal with Absurdism as far as meaning and value is concerned, I firmly believe that all values that exist are the products of or are in relation to desires and there is therefore no intrinsic value in the universe, but as far as Metaethics is concerned I tend to disagree, I do believe that there are objective facts to be determined about what desires are good/bad in terms of their ability to promote or thwart other desires and we can therefore make meaningful and useful claims about moral right and wrong that are based solely on phenomenon that we are certain exists.
I came across abusurdism a few years ago as the result of philosophical discussions. Some theists would ask me what my philosophy was and make a good point that atheism isnt really much of a philosophy and more of a denial of religions in general. I studied many philosophies and came across a few I agree with to a point, but none as well as Absurdism. Its simple and to the point. I dont mind being called atheist or agnostic, both fit me well..but it was missing something. It was missing a REASON why I didnt mind those titles. My reasons are it doesnt matter to me if a god, or billions of deities exist.. it is absurd to worship such things. For all I know an infinite amount of gods and goddesses exist and they all bicker over things we humans consider trivial..like the placement of dust and sand and the shapes of salt crystals..that is JUST as legitimately absurd (and can use damn near every argument they use for their gods) as a savior Jeebus or a hundred armed Kali death goddess. So it goes something like this with me:
- Fundie - "If I could prove to you without a doubt, would you turn to Jesus?"
- Me - "No.."
- Fundie - "Even if it meant everlasting paradise in the afterlife?"
- Me - "Especially if it meant an eternal afterlife."
- Fundie- *looks bewildered and shocked*
- Me - "An eternal afterlife to me would be an eternity of torture ad absurdum. Non-existence is the only true peace eternal."
- Fundie - "Then you are suicidal with no hope?"
- Me - "Nope, it would be stupid to kill myself and speed up the process I am going to eventually meet up with anyways. As far as hope, I hope about many things; Hope my wife doesnt get sick. Hope my kids dont get killed. Hope my wife doesnt get robbed.. but that hope is nothing more than vanity which brings pain because ultimately things like that are out of my hands when it comes to the properties of this cold, dark cosmos. Eventually they too will die, as well as you, and all of their "meanings of life" will mean nothing."
- Fundie - "Wow, that sounds depressing."
- Me - "Sometimes it is, but running away from reality of our ultimate fate is even more depressing to me. It means embracing a comforting lie and comitting intellectual suicide. From my point of view you are asking me to ignore the truth and live a lie.. I cannot do that"
- Fundie - "You mind if I ask why you dont like Jesus then?"
- Me - "I dont mind..its because I read the bible cover to cover twice. I was a Christian when I started and by the time I finished I was 100% sure that Jebus and God were absolute pricks."
Why is it that your diety insists that I must acknowledge its existence in order to avoid being punished? Something smells fishy..and it aint Sweet Baby Jesus' fleece diapers.
