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Epicurus riddle.
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RE: Epicurus riddle.
(January 22, 2016 at 9:48 am)Drich Wrote:
(January 21, 2016 at 2:08 pm)Jenny A Wrote:

We are slaves to either God or sin, their is no free will either.

So why do I want to worship God? I do not want to be bound/be a slave to sin.

I've never really understood what it means to be a slave to sin. Biblically, sin is transgression against god's laws. So other than following them, how could anyone be a slave to god's laws. But of course as defined by Jesus, the abscence of sin is impossible as it would involve not only giving away everything you have, but not ever having any bad thoughts either, including harmless natural ones like lust. Frankly, given his failure to honor his mother and father, questioning god at Gesthsemone, and authorizing the theft of both a donkey and an ass(or was it a colt?), I don't think Jesus managed it himself unless you just say he is god and can't sin against himself. So by a slave to sin, I take you to mean that you can't stop sinning. No kidding. No one can. Though it is quite possible to be a moral upright person, and most people manage that just fine. So abscent god's law, it appears perfectly possible to be a good person. So, if god's laws are rigged, why worry about violating them. Just work on being a moral person and let it go.

That brings me to the second problem: how does being a slave to god save you from being a slave to god's law. You may think that it saves you from the consequences of violating god's laws, but it won't keep you from violating them. You remain sinful by any biblical definition. God just happens to forgive you. And what do you get for forgiveness? Eternal life with worshiping the admittedly manevolent god. The cure sounds worse than the disease. OH YEAH, hell. It's really a choice of death(or worse yet eternal torment) or worshiping a menevolent being. Such fun. Possitively Lovecraftian.

I can see why you make the choice you do if you really beleive in the existence of the menevolant old bastard.

Of course there are other ways of interpreting slave to sin. Does god perhaps keep you from committing moral crimes? That would be a force worth having. But judging from the actions of Christians, it appears not.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god.  If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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Epicurus riddle. - by Archbow - April 11, 2010 at 11:44 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Paul the Human - April 11, 2010 at 12:03 pm
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