RE: Seeing red
January 24, 2016 at 11:28 am
(This post was last modified: January 24, 2016 at 11:38 am by Angrboda.)
(January 24, 2016 at 7:02 am)bennyboy Wrote:(January 24, 2016 at 3:53 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I feel like I'm repeating myself and not really making any headway. Is any of this helpful?
I think it's helpful in understanding your view, and I think you've done a good job of describing what KIND of systems you'd call mindful, and I believe it is mostly similar to Rhythm's unless I'm misunderstanding one of you.
I'm not convinced, though, that an intentional system meets my definition of mindfulness-- that is, the subjective experience of qualia. But talking with you guys has given me an idea. I wonder if it might at some point be able to develop an interface between minds to some degree, by attaching their physical mechanisms. I wonder if a direct brain connection might enable me to actually EXPERIENCE someone else's qualia some day.
My views are similar to Rhythm's, but I feel perhaps I've done a disservice to them. Chad originally claimed that objects cannot have intentionality — that they do not refer in the way thoughts do in a human mind. My response was the robotic driver, and my elaboration on representational systems was a way of putting meat on the bones of that concept of intentionality. In response to questions from you, I have elucidated how this non-conscious form of referring might also parallel intentionality in humans. None of what I've shown is an attempt to explain mindfulness, only to explore the mechanistic side of non-mindful intentionality, and how that might play a role in human referring. I have an idea of how such representational systems can be used to explain mindfulness, but I haven't presented it. To that degree I would wholeheartedly agree that what I've presented doesn't explain mindfulness — it wasn't meant to do so.
In regards to the qualia question, I believe that consciousness represents a dynamic model (of what?), a map of a specific territory. Only by sharing the details of that model would you share the same experiences. In other words, consciousness reduces to a modeling system, and it is the parameters of that model which determine the content and state of consciousness. So under my view, a direct connection would get you nothing as it's the data in this modeling system which sets what our experience is like.
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