(February 1, 2016 at 1:29 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I have already conceded that empathy can be undermined by experience and propaganda. It is still the guiding force behind morality.Further than this,I didn't say it wasn't the guiding force. I am point out the dangers that manifest in Nazi Germany because they had no absolutes to guide them/bring them back to center.
I fail to see your point.
I am pointing out that 'morality' will ALWAYS shift to evil at one point or another, and when a society takes off it's divine training wheels (nothing to keep them up right) their is nothing to stop that society's empathy to be manipulated into evil.
Quote: And as to me judging the germans, I can use my empathy to place myself in their position at that time and can see how the constant lowering of how jews were seem coupled with fear of what would happen if you went against the authorities would make them act in a way that I judge with my own unwarped empathy as evil without them necessarily being evil people themselves. You seem to think I was demonising germans en masse, but that is far from the case.Nope. I am not trying to evoke emotion to manipulate your thinking. I am simply pointing out parallels.
Quote: British people went along with the Nazis in Jersey, even building their own concentraton camp so it can happen anywhere. I fear that the fear mongering from the right wing evangelicals is going to bring on just this sort of evil in the US.Concentration camps are not the issue, neither is putting people in them. We did the same here on masse to All Japanese people and the people of Japanese held countries. It is the same thing we also did with the Iranians in 1970's when our relationship with them went to pot (till we could send them home.)
The issue is how those people were treated in the camps, and what we did with them after the threat was over/how we neutralized the threat, verses how a country who has taken God our of their morality made a similar decision.
We've also turned potential threats away at the boarders many many times.