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Epicurus riddle.
RE: Epicurus riddle.
(February 1, 2016 at 11:46 am)ChadWooters Wrote: The same kind of thinking applies with regards to God’s omni-benevolence. If I am not mistaken, either Drich or Godschild has promoted the concept that the Bible doesn’t say God is omni-benevolent. That’s actually true. The most it says is that He is Just. Conversely many New Age Christians believe in a mysterious emanation of Love, if only we could receive it (i.e. blame the victim.) Both the Church of Rome, Orthodoxy, and New Church theology have more subtle doctrines, but review of those would far exceed the scope of a single post. As mentioned previously, these revolve around restorative justice and kenosis. If reason did not firmly assure me of God’s existence, I would not be swayed by the possibility of God’s mitigating actions. If God is indeed all-loving, then creation must be metaphysically optimized in such a way that it is ultimately made whole by our participation and struggle within it and Christians have as their example our Lord’s ultimate triumph over betrayal, brutal torture, and painful death. We suffer nothing that God Himself has not endured to achieve Glory.

The problem does not come from postulating that God is all-loving. The other side of omni-benevolence will do, that God is all good. If you do not accept that God is all-good, then you admit that he is prone to evil, even if only a little bit. This for most Christians simply will not do. Thus he is postulated as omni-benevolent, whether or not it's in the bible, for the simple expedient of ruling out the possibility that God has committed evil acts. This meaning of omni-benevolent is sufficient to restore order to the riddle.
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Epicurus riddle. - by Archbow - April 11, 2010 at 11:44 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Paul the Human - April 11, 2010 at 12:03 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by roscogre - July 19, 2014 at 10:12 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by chatpilot - April 11, 2010 at 12:58 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Welsh cake - April 11, 2010 at 1:18 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 11, 2010 at 7:02 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by The Piper - April 11, 2010 at 10:15 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Eilonnwy - April 11, 2010 at 11:17 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by The Piper - April 12, 2010 at 12:14 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by tavarish - April 12, 2010 at 12:21 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 6:22 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ace Otana - April 12, 2010 at 6:41 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Eilonnwy - April 12, 2010 at 8:57 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by GalaxyCat - February 25, 2013 at 3:31 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Infanta - January 20, 2016 at 11:17 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 21, 2016 at 12:21 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by chatpilot - April 11, 2010 at 11:14 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by chatpilot - April 11, 2010 at 11:57 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by The Piper - April 12, 2010 at 12:38 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by tavarish - April 12, 2010 at 2:05 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by The Piper - April 12, 2010 at 2:09 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by tavarish - April 12, 2010 at 2:20 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by The Piper - April 12, 2010 at 2:22 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - April 12, 2010 at 3:38 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by chatpilot - April 12, 2010 at 6:06 am
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by chatpilot - April 12, 2010 at 6:52 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ace Otana - April 12, 2010 at 7:04 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 7:05 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ace Otana - April 12, 2010 at 7:15 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 7:31 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ace Otana - April 12, 2010 at 10:14 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by chatpilot - April 12, 2010 at 11:17 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 12, 2010 at 8:48 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 8:52 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 12, 2010 at 8:58 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 9:14 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Eilonnwy - April 12, 2010 at 9:47 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 12, 2010 at 10:07 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 10:33 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Eilonnwy - April 12, 2010 at 11:31 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - April 12, 2010 at 9:00 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 12, 2010 at 9:04 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 9:29 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 12, 2010 at 9:36 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 12, 2010 at 11:43 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Edwardo Piet - April 13, 2010 at 10:28 am
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by PyroManiac - February 25, 2013 at 12:11 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Lemonvariable72 - July 20, 2014 at 5:32 am
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by maccoon - January 14, 2016 at 3:54 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Edwardo Piet - January 21, 2016 at 4:45 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by ignoramus - January 15, 2016 at 5:36 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 20, 2016 at 10:47 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Jenny A - January 20, 2016 at 7:42 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 21, 2016 at 12:19 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Jenny A - January 21, 2016 at 2:08 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 22, 2016 at 9:48 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Homeless Nutter - January 22, 2016 at 10:00 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 22, 2016 at 1:20 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by The Inquisition - January 22, 2016 at 10:03 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 22, 2016 at 1:15 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - January 29, 2016 at 12:45 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - January 29, 2016 at 1:16 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - January 29, 2016 at 1:23 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Homeless Nutter - January 29, 2016 at 6:07 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - January 29, 2016 at 2:26 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - January 29, 2016 at 4:32 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Homeless Nutter - January 29, 2016 at 11:31 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - January 30, 2016 at 12:00 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Jenny A - January 22, 2016 at 2:51 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 26, 2016 at 12:36 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Jenny A - January 28, 2016 at 9:37 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - January 20, 2016 at 2:15 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 21, 2016 at 12:09 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - January 20, 2016 at 2:34 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 21, 2016 at 12:13 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by robvalue - January 21, 2016 at 4:06 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 21, 2016 at 12:36 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - January 21, 2016 at 12:31 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - January 26, 2016 at 1:17 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 27, 2016 at 10:43 am
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by dyresand - January 26, 2016 at 1:40 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 27, 2016 at 10:48 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by robvalue - January 26, 2016 at 1:47 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Cecelia - January 27, 2016 at 1:57 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 27, 2016 at 10:52 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Cecelia - January 27, 2016 at 12:04 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - January 27, 2016 at 3:43 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 27, 2016 at 10:53 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - January 27, 2016 at 7:22 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by robvalue - January 27, 2016 at 4:38 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - January 27, 2016 at 12:14 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ivan Denisovich - January 28, 2016 at 4:20 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - January 29, 2016 at 1:18 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - January 29, 2016 at 1:49 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - January 29, 2016 at 5:57 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - January 29, 2016 at 2:18 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - January 29, 2016 at 4:24 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ravenshire - February 2, 2016 at 10:53 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - February 3, 2016 at 11:54 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ravenshire - February 4, 2016 at 9:42 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - February 6, 2016 at 3:17 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ravenshire - February 6, 2016 at 4:26 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by robvalue - January 28, 2016 at 7:24 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - January 28, 2016 at 8:44 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Catholic_Lady - January 28, 2016 at 7:44 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - January 28, 2016 at 8:59 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Homeless Nutter - January 29, 2016 at 6:19 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - January 28, 2016 at 1:00 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Edwardo Piet - January 29, 2016 at 2:23 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - January 29, 2016 at 2:31 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by LostLocke - January 29, 2016 at 2:53 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Edwardo Piet - January 29, 2016 at 2:59 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ravenshire - February 2, 2016 at 10:56 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - February 3, 2016 at 11:50 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Brian37 - February 4, 2016 at 6:07 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - February 6, 2016 at 3:11 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Nay_Sayer - February 6, 2016 at 3:15 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ravenshire - February 4, 2016 at 9:47 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - February 6, 2016 at 3:33 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ravenshire - February 6, 2016 at 4:25 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by robvalue - January 29, 2016 at 3:09 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - January 29, 2016 at 8:29 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - January 30, 2016 at 12:57 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by robvalue - January 30, 2016 at 3:56 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 1, 2016 at 11:46 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - February 1, 2016 at 7:29 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 1, 2016 at 7:50 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - February 1, 2016 at 8:04 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - February 1, 2016 at 8:19 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - February 3, 2016 at 1:31 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Catholic_Lady - February 1, 2016 at 7:57 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 1, 2016 at 8:29 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - February 1, 2016 at 8:34 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 2, 2016 at 1:27 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - February 2, 2016 at 1:41 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ravenshire - February 2, 2016 at 11:04 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Catholic_Lady - February 1, 2016 at 8:31 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - February 1, 2016 at 8:38 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 2, 2016 at 1:44 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Cecelia - February 2, 2016 at 1:51 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by athrock - February 2, 2016 at 1:24 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by FatAndFaithless - February 2, 2016 at 1:25 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by athrock - February 2, 2016 at 1:40 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by FatAndFaithless - February 2, 2016 at 1:42 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - February 3, 2016 at 3:31 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by athrock - February 2, 2016 at 1:22 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - February 2, 2016 at 8:20 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - February 2, 2016 at 1:45 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by robvalue - February 3, 2016 at 5:25 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Brian37 - February 3, 2016 at 3:52 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 3, 2016 at 4:49 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Brian37 - February 3, 2016 at 5:18 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - February 3, 2016 at 6:57 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Brian37 - February 4, 2016 at 8:46 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Jenny A - February 3, 2016 at 7:59 pm
Epicurus riddle. - by LadyForCamus - February 3, 2016 at 5:59 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Brian37 - February 3, 2016 at 6:45 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Edwardo Piet - February 6, 2016 at 3:54 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Cecelia - February 8, 2016 at 2:05 am
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