(February 8, 2016 at 2:02 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:(February 8, 2016 at 1:57 pm)Brian37 Wrote: NO, sorry, what works in one context does not always work in every context. There is no one right way to approach bad claims, other than to insist on non violence, no matter who says what. I really hate this good intent, it sounds nice but, far too often this good intent leads to setting up taboos, and that is never good for any parties involved.
"Be nice" all the time simply does not work. For me, it is "depends" on time place and context.
And sorry I hate the word "respect", that is a hollow and loaded cliche. If it were used in the context you are advocating I'd be fine with it. But that is NOT what most people use it for. "Respect" is simply a word most people use to say "I don't want to consider I am wrong, so don't bruise my ego, and know your place in the social order". "Respect" is a word far too often used to shut down a conversation.
HUMANS certainly have rights, but claims as ideas do not deserve to be scrutiny or blasphemy free. So it depends on context of situation and case by case.
How many believers have you successfully talked out of their beliefs with that attitude? Oh, none, really? That's a shocker.
Don't know, I am sure quite a few. I do know if it were not for the blasphemy of others I would not be an atheist now. I was offended far too easily as a kid for lots of reasons, and if you had picked on my Catholic beliefs growing up yes, I would have reacted negatively to it. So? Would that give me the right to assault or murder someone? No? Ok so what is your point?
Yet another bad argument. Again, you are still dealing with 7 billion humans and it still is flat out absurd to expect 7 billion humans to only say nice things about each other. That is a utopia that will never happen.
I dont think you understand that even a mere "that is not true" to many believers might as well be a literal "fuck you".
Civility isn't about never offending or never getting offended. Civility is what you do in response to those situations. YOU can only control yourself, not others.
I value human rights, but I will never value "never" as a blanket solution in dealing with speech. It is as it should be dealt with on a "it depends" and case by case.
