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Religious Liberty?
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RE: Religious Liberty?
(February 15, 2016 at 1:37 am)bennyboy Wrote: In Korea, employers are required to pay half of the government-run health care-- which is maybe $50, so pretty trivial.  I'd assume that Hobby Lobby is paying at least in part for the health care, because if not, they aren't complicit in any of the actions (like abortions or pills) that the health-care plan takes with employees.  To refuse THAT would be fucking outrageous. But I'm never surprised when America surprises me.

If it were not a malicious attempt to deny their employees the very access to contraception, I might agree with you, bennyboy. But Hobby Lobby's argument was not that contraception was against their religious conscience, it was that BC Pills cause abortions. The entire case was hinged on the question of whether a company could have a belief that was based on nothing more than their false understanding of a concept. They used the term abortifacients at all times, not contraception or birth control. Despite literally every expert witness refuting the idea that the pill causes spontaneous abortion rather than preventing conception, the reason the decision was disastrous was because it 1) created a precedent where a company can have a belief, and 2) that belief, no matter how fallacious it is, is valid if it is "deeply held."

Now, these companies are taking to the SCOTUS cases wherein they assert that merely filling out the exemption form violates their religious liberty. They claim that filling out the form and opting out of coverage helps their employees get ACA access to them otherwise. They are not content with the fact that they don't have to provide anything for their employees, but the fact that their employees can still get access to reproductive healthcare despite them is now being called a violation of their religious liberty as well.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/religious-fre...-amendment
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great

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Religious Liberty? - by TrueChristian - February 9, 2016 at 8:51 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 9, 2016 at 8:54 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by ApeNotKillApe - February 9, 2016 at 8:58 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 10, 2016 at 4:24 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Chad32 - February 9, 2016 at 9:18 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by The Valkyrie - February 9, 2016 at 9:24 pm
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Religious Liberty? - by KUSA - February 9, 2016 at 9:35 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by ignoramus - February 9, 2016 at 9:36 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 9, 2016 at 9:37 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by SteelCurtain - February 9, 2016 at 9:54 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Ravenshire - February 9, 2016 at 10:10 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Ravenshire - February 9, 2016 at 10:06 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Nay_Sayer - February 10, 2016 at 8:39 am
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RE: Religious Liberty? - by Joods - February 10, 2016 at 8:53 am
Religious Liberty? - by LadyForCamus - February 10, 2016 at 10:38 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by mediocrates - February 10, 2016 at 10:50 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Neo-Scholastic - February 10, 2016 at 11:49 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Divinity - February 10, 2016 at 12:38 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 10, 2016 at 1:47 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Divinity - February 10, 2016 at 2:14 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Neo-Scholastic - February 10, 2016 at 2:47 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by rexbeccarox - February 10, 2016 at 2:50 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Joods - February 10, 2016 at 2:55 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Brian37 - February 10, 2016 at 3:38 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 10, 2016 at 8:37 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Brian37 - February 10, 2016 at 2:04 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Neo-Scholastic - February 10, 2016 at 6:45 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Jackalope - February 10, 2016 at 6:52 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Brian37 - February 10, 2016 at 7:10 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Neo-Scholastic - February 10, 2016 at 9:53 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Brian37 - February 11, 2016 at 7:56 am
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RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 11, 2016 at 10:55 am
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RE: Religious Liberty? - by Pat Mustard - February 17, 2016 at 2:10 am
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RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 17, 2016 at 6:21 pm
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RE: Religious Liberty? - by rexbeccarox - February 10, 2016 at 9:58 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by CapnAwesome - February 11, 2016 at 12:10 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 11, 2016 at 2:38 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Ravenshire - February 11, 2016 at 3:02 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 11, 2016 at 10:52 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Brian37 - February 11, 2016 at 11:06 am
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RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 11, 2016 at 7:10 pm
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RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 11, 2016 at 10:45 pm
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RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 14, 2016 at 7:58 pm
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RE: Religious Liberty? - by Brian37 - February 15, 2016 at 8:14 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by rexbeccarox - February 11, 2016 at 2:47 pm
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RE: Religious Liberty? - by rexbeccarox - February 11, 2016 at 3:06 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Nay_Sayer - February 11, 2016 at 4:17 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by rexbeccarox - February 11, 2016 at 5:13 pm
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RE: Religious Liberty? - by Neo-Scholastic - February 11, 2016 at 5:19 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by rexbeccarox - February 11, 2016 at 5:22 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 11, 2016 at 7:36 pm
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RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 11, 2016 at 8:00 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Cyberman - February 14, 2016 at 8:41 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 14, 2016 at 10:58 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Joods - February 11, 2016 at 11:00 pm
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RE: Religious Liberty? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 14, 2016 at 8:30 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Cyberman - February 15, 2016 at 12:30 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Thumpalumpacus - February 15, 2016 at 12:30 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 15, 2016 at 1:37 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by robvalue - February 15, 2016 at 5:05 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Thumpalumpacus - February 15, 2016 at 11:49 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Brian37 - February 15, 2016 at 12:07 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by SteelCurtain - February 15, 2016 at 2:01 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 15, 2016 at 5:44 pm
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RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 15, 2016 at 5:47 pm
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RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 16, 2016 at 12:41 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Thumpalumpacus - February 16, 2016 at 3:08 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 16, 2016 at 7:59 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Ravenshire - February 15, 2016 at 6:29 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by SteelCurtain - February 15, 2016 at 2:54 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by SteelCurtain - February 15, 2016 at 5:16 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Brian37 - February 15, 2016 at 6:47 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Pat Mustard - February 16, 2016 at 11:05 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Brian37 - February 17, 2016 at 4:27 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 17, 2016 at 6:06 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Brian37 - February 17, 2016 at 6:29 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Mr.wizard - February 17, 2016 at 6:21 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Brian37 - February 17, 2016 at 6:47 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Neo-Scholastic - February 17, 2016 at 7:03 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Brian37 - February 17, 2016 at 7:19 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 17, 2016 at 10:04 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Brian37 - February 18, 2016 at 8:29 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Neo-Scholastic - February 17, 2016 at 7:00 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Neo-Scholastic - February 17, 2016 at 7:46 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Mr.wizard - February 17, 2016 at 8:03 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Mr.wizard - February 18, 2016 at 7:04 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 18, 2016 at 7:55 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Mr.wizard - February 18, 2016 at 6:27 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 18, 2016 at 9:54 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 18, 2016 at 9:44 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Brian37 - February 18, 2016 at 10:16 am
RE: Religious Liberty? - by bennyboy - February 18, 2016 at 10:09 pm
RE: Religious Liberty? - by Neo-Scholastic - February 18, 2016 at 10:18 am
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RE: Religious Liberty? - by Neo-Scholastic - February 19, 2016 at 3:28 pm
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